Building a better Alphinaud

[Ravor]

The main problem with endwalker is there are so many character but very limited time for everyone to shine, considering the usual age of most elezen, alphinaud is considered veeeeeery young even with all the experience he had, even having near other character in scion will make him the lesser lead, for him to actually have better character development is to actually being less with other scion and try to solve problem by himself, even with being with WOL or any other scion will block that character development because the wol and scion can solve the problem faster either with brute force or smarter way of solving it, i think the direction of the game for the scion to disband and kinda go their oen separate way is a good thing, especially with alphi and alise with the least interaction with wol or other scion, that way they can be more mature and learn to stand on their own, the sad thing would be we didnt see any of that as player

[Jagick]

A good attempt to salvage the character in my opinion. I'd even be happy with how he is now if he was challenged more and learned from it rather than his word being taken as truth and law and every nation in Eorzea running with the mad schemes of a child.

His character growth is touted so much but he never seems to get any smarter, his naive and stupid actions just continue to get people hurt over and over. Shadowbringers for example, Alphinaud's choices and plan nearly get Kai-Shirr killed, and by extention, nearly got US killed.

Am I really to believe this character has gotten any smarter when his grand idea to get into Eulmore was to convince them he could turn produce into pearls (potentially by trading with a hostile beast tribe,) and then expect he'd never have to prove he could do it again? Instead he lets some other kid take credit for it, a kid with no magical talent or means to defend himself, and sends him right into a city we know is fishy and throws people right off the top floor if they aren't useful anymore?

Without going onto another rant of how much I hate Alphinaud, and how he seems to learn the same lessons every single expansion, your ideas help a lot and he definitely seems to slowly grow. I am still of the opinion however that the literal children in the Scions need to just be sent home until they go through Elezen puberty . Garlemald and the Ascians are bad, but Eorzea openly fields actual child soldiers and no one bats an eye!

[CrownySuccubus]

In Garlemald it would also be a perfect opportunity for him to apply his earlier growth from Stormblood and decide to not interfere with whatever government the Garlean people choose to adhere to moving forward, rather than once again reverting the nation to a republic.

When did Alphinaud, or the Scions in general, interfere with Garlemald's politics?

I genuinely don't recall that being the case.

[MikkoAkure]

When did Alphinaud, or the Scions in general, interfere with Garlemald's politics?

I genuinely don't recall that being the case.

It was the Eorzean Alliance, rather than the Scions. The leaders mention the twins helping out but point out that they've done nothing at all to help them government-wise.

Of course, this new Garlemald must remain a sovereign nation, free from the oversight of others. 'Tis by no means an easy solution, but I fear we have little recourse but to see Garlemald rebuilt. As a sovereign nation, of course─free from the oversight of others.

Aye, they would see no meaning in it otherwise. If I'm not mistaken, Alphinaud and Alisaie have already made strides in helping the people here regain some normalcy in their day-to-day living. A most important first step, but it will mean little without proper leadership.

Rather than a single individual, perhaps a governing body of sorts would prove more effective.

There are a number of former senate members among the refugees at Camp Broken Glass, as I recall. With their help, creating the framework for new governance is not an impossibility. Then let us call the people together, and see what they make of our proposal.

In another sidequest chain in the zone, I think it was mentioned the last of the royal family was killed. The only people we know of any existing leadership roles left would be surviving senators, Jullus, Vergilia (in Eorzean custody), and whoever the Xth Legatus is, who surrendered to the Eorzean Alliance already. There's also Gaius, but he's also blamed for killing Varis and starting this whole mess.

But either way, no one forces the Garleans to do anything. The Eorzeans came up with a sensible solution and asked the Garleans what they thought of it. After that, most of the Garleans went back to Camp Broken Glass where the others were and we met up later with the pessimistic ones who disagreed and decided not to stay in Garlemald, thinking it would be too difficult and refused to live in Sharlayan under a different government. Though that doesn't mean that's the opinion shared by all Garleans since the Lemures assist Garleans who have already left the empire to live in Eorzea.


As far as the twins go, I wish they would just time skip and have them grow up both mentally and physically and show the growth they've had over the whole series.

[CrownySuccubus]

It was the Eorzean Alliance, rather than the Scions. The leaders mention the twins helping out but point out that they've done nothing at all to help them government-wise.






In another sidequest chain in the zone, I think it was mentioned the last of the royal family was killed. The only people we know of any existing leadership roles left would be surviving senators, Jullus, Vergilia (in Eorzean custody), and whoever the Xth Legatus is, who surrendered to the Eorzean Alliance already. There's also Gaius, but he's also blamed for killing Varis and starting this whole mess.

But either way, no one forces the Garleans to do anything. The Eorzeans came up with a sensible solution and asked the Garleans what they thought of it. After that, most of the Garleans went back to Camp Broken Glass where the others were and we met up later with the pessimistic ones who disagreed and decided not to stay in Garlemald, thinking it would be too difficult and refused to live in Sharlayan under a different government. Though that doesn't mean that's the opinion shared by all Garleans since the Lemures assist Garleans who have already left the empire to live in Eorzea.

Yeah, that's about what I remembered.

[Renalt]

I wish they would just delete him.

[Lauront]

I wish they would just delete him.

Same. That's the only improvement I want when it comes to him.

Frankly after the disbandment of the Scions at the end of EW...that should have been it. New Adventure means new groups to roam with. But no...less than 5 minutes later it's "Hey we should get the gang back together again".

Delete them all I say. Maybe not Estinien. He keeps it real.

This too.

[Kuritzkale]

I've always really liked Alphinaud, against all the odds. It seemed like he managed to avoid a lot of the really cringe writing for a while, honestly almost seemed believable as a person. Definitely think that changed in Endwalker though, he wasn't a super compelling character and to be honest he seemed to not really have much of a purpose outside of garlemald and... well, we all know how that section of the story went.

[tokinokanatae]

Alphinaud is my favorite of the two twins and I have no problems with his development such as it is in the game. I've liked him since his introduction as an arrogant little dipstick in ARR, through his journey in Heavensward, and beyond as he settles into a more diplomatic role. I think the game was smart to allow him to take a more subdued position in Stormblood, but I do miss him feeling like he's one of my "core" party members. I have my issues with the Scions in Endwalker, but I think Alisaie's speeches were more egregious than his as far as any complaints I might have.

I am relieved they haven't brought the twins back into the story yet after my Scions overload but I am slowly reaching the point where I'm getting curious about what they've been working on in Garlemald and, when we do see Alphinaud again, I believe it'll be a happy reunion for my WoL.

In short, I don't agree that Alphinaud really needs "fixing" in the first place.

[Coratanni]

Alphinaud is my favorite of the two twins and I have no problems with his development such as it is in the game. I've liked him since his introduction as an arrogant little dipstick in ARR, through his journey in Heavensward, and beyond as he settles into a more diplomatic role. I think the game was smart to allow him to take a more subdued position in Stormblood, but I do miss him feeling like he's one of my "core" party members. I have my issues with the Scions in Endwalker, but I think Alisaie's speeches were more egregious than his as far as any complaints I might have.

I am relieved they haven't brought the twins back into the story yet after my Scions overload but I am slowly reaching the point where I'm getting curious about what they've been working on in Garlemald and, when we do see Alphinaud again, I believe it'll be a happy reunion for my WoL.

In short, I don't agree that Alphinaud really needs "fixing" in the first place.

At least Alphinaud has been growing throughout our journey. Alisaie I've always had an issue with. Her core character though just irritates me to no end.