This isnt working, we need to try something else (Kaiten Post)

[AsiTsurugi]

If anyone does intend to post on the JP sam thread after reading this thread, I highly recommend DeepL translator instead of Google translate.

[darkdyllon]

in regards to concerns, i'd love any, like, numerical evidence that people in other regions are unhappy. even circumstantial evidence; an unofficial count. i obviously cant read Japanese, so a glance at the forums does nothing for me. i'd love to take your statement at face value. i really would. i just cant with Yoshi-P's complete silence on the matter, especially when contrasted with the obvious example of BLM's PVP on the japanese forums. people are INFERRING that AST and DRG's changes being delayed are because SAM's was received so poorly. as far as i know, the devs have not gone "yeah we fricked up with SAM's changes and are now too scared to change anything else." this lack of mentioning does not give me faith.
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multiple people on the forums here who claimed to be fluent in both english and japanese have said that the JP forums were also blowing up over 6.1 SAM, ofcourse no concrete evidence.
the thing is, why did they randomly postpone those 2 jobs changes? they went full steam ahead after massive backlash for SAM afterall.

I hope it's an good sign, but concidering that especially Japanese companies/developers, they don't like to admit they're wrong.
that's why when Yoshi had to announce the delay of Endwalker he cried on stream, likely because he sees this as an failure on his part (a big thing in Japanese culture) same with a lot of things players are generally not happy about, they don't admit they're wrong because that would mean they failed. (which they did, but being ignorant to the fact you failed is better than knowing you failed)

[Vencio]

you are intentionally going around to unrelated threads and beginning conflict that was not otherwise there for no reason other than conflict itself. that is peak and defining troll behavior, and doing it makes you a troll.

Please be more specific,

And I do respond to threads freely as much as anyone has & vice versa.

What exactly am I doing that’s Trolling given how I am in opposition to you & most of anyone’s SAM that still persist on about SAM given the current live letter’s highlights not mentioning it?

Then again your determination is admirable but fruitless

[xAFROx]

Please be more specific,

And I do respond to threads freely as much as anyone has & vice versa.

What exactly am I doing that’s Trolling given how I am in opposition to you & most of anyone’s SAM that still persist on about SAM given the current live letter’s highlights not mentioning it?

Then again your determination is admirable but fruitless

Are you aware that job changes don't get covered in much detail until part 2 of the live letter? That's exactly how it was for the one leading up to 6.1 and same for other prior patch cycles.

[Vencio]

Yes,

Till now it is what it is & we’ll wait yet to see

[TyrAtatoskr]

Are you aware that job changes don't get covered in much detail until part 2 of the live letter?

part 1 of the live letter mentioned changes to auto-crit working with crit buffs. auto-crit was, afaik, a mostly-unused mechanic until SAM's overhaul. in particular, after 6.1, a complaint was that SAM was no longer a candidate for DNC's Dance Partner as DNC's crit buffs were incompatible with a major part of SAM's kit. The timing heavily implies that SAM is NOT getting Kaiten back and that the changes will NOT be reverted.

hence, the outcry about the live letter from myself and a few others. furthermore, if we wait until things are officially announced to start complaining about SAM's changes, chances are they will not be reverted at all. Now is the time to ask the devs, as things are not set in stone and can be changed.


that the Porta Documana's Heart of Sabik's English bug is not fixed after 10 years implies that the devs do not speak English by and large, which means if we are to be heard we must go to where they can actually read - the JP forums


all of that combines into this post - a plea to the community to go to the JP forums so we can show them that the majority opinion is against SAM's 6.1 changes before patch 6.2 "fixes the problems with the job," making it have 0 chance of ever being reverted. This is likely our last chance to have our opinions be heard.

[darkdyllon]

Are you aware that job changes don't get covered in much detail until part 2 of the live letter? That's exactly how it was for the one leading up to 6.1 and same for other prior patch cycles.

the thing that bothers me is that the outcry for Kaiten and SAM in general has been overwhelming, when it happened every post (bar 1 or 2) was filled with SAMs crying out for them to reconcider.
not many believed that they would instantly just revert, knowing how this game is coded that would likely just break the game in half, sure you had a few but the main issue that I have and I believe many others is the absolute radio silence on the issue.
they could've easily posted something along the lines of "we've heard your pleas all over the forums" blablabla, instead nothing, also yeah, it'll be till 6.2 part 2 LL till we get more concrete changes. (also apparently more reasoning behind a given change)


1 thing that did stood up out to me was that they were postponing the AST and DRG reworks, tells me that they have seen the backlash and are like "maybe this isn't the correct way"

[xAFROx]

Yes,

Till now it is what it is & we’ll wait yet to see

Indeed. And no matter what happens, there's no need to rub in the results as a form of gloating to anyone here. The results will speak for themselves in another couple months.

[KurenXIV]

Just do what I'm doing: unsub. If they don't want to listen to feedback and are just going to barrel through with awful changes then why bother paying to play?

[TyrAtatoskr]

Just do what I'm doing: unsub. If they don't want to listen to feedback and are just going to barrel through with awful changes then why bother paying to play?

Bro, I'm not even having fun in the game anymore. I honestly just might if they continue their radio silence and lack of promised listening, as sad as that makes me. I've grown to love the world, but I just can't enjoy the game. I'll probably play the major patches, but not much else. Maybe I'll wait until the next expansion. I've been trying to find a class I enjoy, but nothing hits the same. the closest I got was BLM, but it's just different. GNB was the closest I've found in feel but to such a lesser degree that it's almost insulting.

I'll hold out hope and keep fighting for now. here's hoping.