This isnt working, we need to try something else (Kaiten Post)

[TyrAtatoskr]

All of our concerns have already been mirrored in every region, including regions that have not even suffered the effects of 6.1 yet. They are as keenly aware of the situation as we are.

A total of 6 jobs now have sources of guaranteed critical damage. Critical buff synergy has been an issue for a while.

in regards to concerns, i'd love any, like, numerical evidence that people in other regions are unhappy. even circumstantial evidence; an unofficial count. i obviously cant read Japanese, so a glance at the forums does nothing for me. i'd love to take your statement at face value. i really would. i just cant with Yoshi-P's complete silence on the matter, especially when contrasted with the obvious example of BLM's PVP on the japanese forums. people are INFERRING that AST and DRG's changes being delayed are because SAM's was received so poorly. as far as i know, the devs have not gone "yeah we fricked up with SAM's changes and are now too scared to change anything else." this lack of mentioning does not give me faith.

but again, there's the matter of timing with critical buff synergy. i can't honestly hope for better when the devs announce changes to the whole shebang after it's relevant for SAM and SAM only. they clearly didn't think it was worth fixing before. it obviously wasn't on their radar. why now?


but then there's the matter of the last paragraph: "if they don't address the 6.1 changes directly with a full reversion, i expect them to catch a lot of heat, both polite and impolite." why do think that that will work THEN when it hasn't been working NOW? are you simply giving up before the bell's rung?

I'm not sure where you've been but there have been dozens of threads before and after the 6.1 changes, including one I made myself, a few of which have been perpetually on or near the front page. We've done the best we can so far on official and unofficial platforms. The general consensus has been that 6.1 was a disaster for PvE gameplay design across multiple jobs, particularly SAM, and that arguments in favor of the changes don't really have a leg to stand on.

i have been on the English forums. NOT the Japanese forums which inspired them to, quote,

whip up a patch within 5 seconds after Yoshi-P was getting roasted directly on the PvP forums

NOT the Japanese forums. Hence, this post. I legit don't know how you missed the entire point of this thread.

[Reese_Clairdale]

i obviously cant read Japanese, so a glance at the forums does nothing for me.

It seems like you've barely read the English forums too, I'm just relaying what I've gleaned over the past couple months. Even if I wasn't told how other regions feel, it stands to reason that players across all regions are human beings driven by common sense and will reach similar conclusions about fundamental gameplay changes.

I would say SE's overall silence on the PvE side of 6.1 has mainly to do with the fact that they weren't prepared for such heavy backlash regarding PvE job design. The tone deafness of this has already been discussed to death, but I feel the reason why PvP changes were addressed so rapidly in comparison was because this was a heavily PvP focused patch to begin with, not exclusively because Japan made fun of Yoshi-P. I was making a joke in that regard.

are you simply giving up before the bell's rung?

Genuinely not sure how you reach this conclusion. My very first post on these forums was 1. Direct criticism of 6.1 SAM changes and 2. Offering changes that fall in line with what I think SAM mains would actually like to see using 6.08 as a baseline. In addition to this, I've spent time arguing against people that actively defend SE's nonsense or educating people that don't understand the situation around SAM. All of which is to say, I think I've done more than my part, I'm not sure what more you expect from any individual player here. If SE wants to put me on their payroll I'll gladly spend time fixing SAM and every other job in a way that aligns with community feedback. Until then I am not going to waste more time than I feel is necessary. I'm only even here because I enjoy many aspects of the game and only want to see it become better. 6.1 is a relatively tiny piece in the game's long history. An unusually rough piece, but still.

Meanwhile, your first posts here as far as I've seen were to 1. Bump a troll thread that was making its way off the front page and 2. Create a thread to show disregard everyone's efforts up to this point, because it didn't meet your personal standards. So far the only new game critique I've seen was the Heart of Sabik plot point which doesn't even belong in this subforum. This one example of a lore inconsistency across regions is not definitive proof that staff members never read the DPS forums.

The idea that inundating the Japanese forums with Google translated gibberish is the key to finally affect change is naive as well as impolite, regardless of if it's accompanied by English text. Other people have already cross posted there, probably in proper Japanese and in the appropriate threads. Unless you plan to raid SE headquarters, all of us will have to wait.

[AsiTsurugi]

If anyone does intend to post on the JP sam thread after reading this thread, I highly recommend DeepL translator instead of Google translate.

[darkdyllon]

in regards to concerns, i'd love any, like, numerical evidence that people in other regions are unhappy. even circumstantial evidence; an unofficial count. i obviously cant read Japanese, so a glance at the forums does nothing for me. i'd love to take your statement at face value. i really would. i just cant with Yoshi-P's complete silence on the matter, especially when contrasted with the obvious example of BLM's PVP on the japanese forums. people are INFERRING that AST and DRG's changes being delayed are because SAM's was received so poorly. as far as i know, the devs have not gone "yeah we fricked up with SAM's changes and are now too scared to change anything else." this lack of mentioning does not give me faith.
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multiple people on the forums here who claimed to be fluent in both english and japanese have said that the JP forums were also blowing up over 6.1 SAM, ofcourse no concrete evidence.
the thing is, why did they randomly postpone those 2 jobs changes? they went full steam ahead after massive backlash for SAM afterall.

I hope it's an good sign, but concidering that especially Japanese companies/developers, they don't like to admit they're wrong.
that's why when Yoshi had to announce the delay of Endwalker he cried on stream, likely because he sees this as an failure on his part (a big thing in Japanese culture) same with a lot of things players are generally not happy about, they don't admit they're wrong because that would mean they failed. (which they did, but being ignorant to the fact you failed is better than knowing you failed)