This isnt working, we need to try something else (Kaiten Post)

[TyrAtatoskr]

In case you haven't heard about the live letter, Yoshi-P mentioned that he is planning on fixing how auto-crit works in tandem with abilities that increase crit chance, as one of the many things that the disastrous 6.1 SAM changes totally botched was that it was no longer viable to be buffed by anything that increases crit chance since it would not stack. This heavily implies that they are keeping the terrible changes, as opposed to listening to the many voices who are all crying out against them

this is in total ignorance of the hundreds of threads on the forums and thousands elsewhere, where they explicitly want us to post our opinions. this is also in total defiance of Yoshi-P himself asking us to, quote, "try it out," implying it had any chance of being reverted if we simply asked enough.


this is the same dev team who has had the Heart of Sabik improperly appear in the English version of the Praetorium all the way from 2.0 to 6.1. Clearly, they do not care for the opinions of English-speaking players or otherwise do not check the English forums, so we will have to branch out. I believe we must enter the Japanese forums to have our voices heard. We all agree with the premise that SAM's 6.1 changes were universally terrible, and all we need to do is get the attention of whoever reads the Japanese forums. I suggest we use Google Translate if you do not have the ability to write in Japanese, in order to have our voices actually heard, as this is an absolute travesty. I will begin the pleas for the devs to read the English DPS forums immediately after posting this, and I implore that you do as well.

Here's hoping it works

[TyrAtatoskr]

Oh, and it should go without mentioning: lay on the politeness. Make sure they know that your problems are with SAM's 6.1 changes and not the devs themselves. Ensure that your words cannot be misconstrued, intentionally or unintentionally, to be impolite or harsh, and simply ask for their consideration. This is likely our last chance to get the class that we love back, and we must seize it.

as well: I was given the idea to have the original English translation in the post. this is because Google Translate is rather bad at conveying intent, and so posts are likely to end up as a mass of jumbled garbage.

[Vencio]

And yet calling me troll on the other post?

Got to love the irony…

It’s already settled & just adapt to your current SAM or roll another.

[TyrAtatoskr]

And yet calling me troll on the other post?

Got to love the irony…

It’s already settled & just adapt to your current SAM or roll another.

you are intentionally going around to unrelated threads and beginning conflict that was not otherwise there for no reason other than conflict itself. that is peak and defining troll behavior, and doing it makes you a troll.

[Vencio]

you are intentionally going around to unrelated threads and beginning conflict that was not otherwise there for no reason other than conflict itself. that is peak and defining troll behavior, and doing it makes you a troll.

Please be more specific,

And I do respond to threads freely as much as anyone has & vice versa.

What exactly am I doing that’s Trolling given how I am in opposition to you & most of anyone’s SAM that still persist on about SAM given the current live letter’s highlights not mentioning it?

Then again your determination is admirable but fruitless

[xAFROx]

Please be more specific,

And I do respond to threads freely as much as anyone has & vice versa.

What exactly am I doing that’s Trolling given how I am in opposition to you & most of anyone’s SAM that still persist on about SAM given the current live letter’s highlights not mentioning it?

Then again your determination is admirable but fruitless

Are you aware that job changes don't get covered in much detail until part 2 of the live letter? That's exactly how it was for the one leading up to 6.1 and same for other prior patch cycles.

[Vencio]

Yes,

Till now it is what it is & we’ll wait yet to see

[xAFROx]

Yes,

Till now it is what it is & we’ll wait yet to see

Indeed. And no matter what happens, there's no need to rub in the results as a form of gloating to anyone here. The results will speak for themselves in another couple months.

[TyrAtatoskr]

Are you aware that job changes don't get covered in much detail until part 2 of the live letter?

part 1 of the live letter mentioned changes to auto-crit working with crit buffs. auto-crit was, afaik, a mostly-unused mechanic until SAM's overhaul. in particular, after 6.1, a complaint was that SAM was no longer a candidate for DNC's Dance Partner as DNC's crit buffs were incompatible with a major part of SAM's kit. The timing heavily implies that SAM is NOT getting Kaiten back and that the changes will NOT be reverted.

hence, the outcry about the live letter from myself and a few others. furthermore, if we wait until things are officially announced to start complaining about SAM's changes, chances are they will not be reverted at all. Now is the time to ask the devs, as things are not set in stone and can be changed.


that the Porta Documana's Heart of Sabik's English bug is not fixed after 10 years implies that the devs do not speak English by and large, which means if we are to be heard we must go to where they can actually read - the JP forums


all of that combines into this post - a plea to the community to go to the JP forums so we can show them that the majority opinion is against SAM's 6.1 changes before patch 6.2 "fixes the problems with the job," making it have 0 chance of ever being reverted. This is likely our last chance to have our opinions be heard.

[Reese_Clairdale]

Oh, and it should go without mentioning: lay on the politeness.

Dunno, they whipped up a patch within 5 seconds after Yoshi-P was getting roasted directly on the PvP forums.

In all seriousness though -

if we wait until things are officially announced to start complaining about SAM's changes

I'm not sure where you've been but there have been dozens of threads before and after the 6.1 changes, including one I made myself, a few of which have been perpetually on or near the front page. We've done the best we can so far on official and unofficial platforms. The general consensus has been that 6.1 was a disaster for PvE gameplay design across multiple jobs, particularly SAM, and that arguments in favor of the changes don't really have a leg to stand on.

Clearly, they do not care for the opinions of English-speaking players or otherwise do not check the English forums, so we will have to branch out.

All of our concerns have already been mirrored in every region, including regions that have not even suffered the effects of 6.1 yet. They are as keenly aware of the situation as we are.

It is the job of the community managers to relay our message to the devs in whatever language is necessary.

auto-crit was, afaik, a mostly-unused mechanic until SAM's overhaul.

A total of 6 jobs now have sources of guaranteed critical damage. Critical buff synergy has been an issue for a while.

Personally, I'm being patient until LL part 2 before my final judgement on the situation. Excluding actually beneficial things like the Third Eye timer increase and Meikyo adjustment, if they don't address the 6.1 changes directly with a full reversion, I expect them to catch a lot of heat, both polite and impolite.