Thread: Dragoon 6.2 Civil discussion thread

To be clear this is a thread that's going to be for talking about dragoon but if you would allow it, I would like to say a few things to the "doomsayers" of the dragoon class.

Look I understand that hearing "major rework" to dragoon a class that quite frankly IMO doesn't really need a full rework or any major changes is scary.

I know that with the kaiten stuff people are scared I get it I really do, But for the love of god and all things holy please just lets wait for the changes to be presented to us first before we complain so they actually idk take us seriously?

Who is gonna take someone seriously who just dogs on you before you even say what you're gonna do? No one. Lets come at this with a level head and think.

they said that they would be giving us detailed reasonings for changes so at the very least they will be starting a dialog. So that's something to look forward to, They very clearly play this job every change they have made to dragoon has been great all of them have been QoL. Hell even the start of the expac was great yeah we were lower damage than most other melee but all of the stuff we got felt like natural additions to the rotation. So realistically most likely don't have much to worry about.

As for some people talking about "look what they did to summoner" yeah they made that one really easy but that's not the only complete rework they did in endwalker. They did the monk rework and that rework was amazing.

All that being said and (some of the things that clearly got under my skin out there lol) Lets talk about what this thread is for.

I want this to be for a civil and productive conversation about dragoon for those who love the job like me, To achieve that we should express the things we love and want to stay on the job because praise for aspects that we really like is just as important as things we don't and explain why we love them, What things we really dislike and would actually like to see reworked, and of course what we want the class to be difficulty wise and class fantasy wise.

Please keep all of the responses respectful and constructive and keep a level head.

Thank you very much for taking the time to read all this and thank you very much for any responses you add. Love the game love you all lets actually have a nice discussion about our favorite bouncy spike ball class.

I wish they took the player feedback seriously if anything.

Oh, and the Monk rework being "amazing" is debatable

Originally Posted by butchersblock

I wish they took the player feedback seriously if anything.

Oh, and the Monk rework being "amazing" is debatable

This is my metric for whether or not the Rework was a success. It’s currently one of the lowest ability count DPS jobs yet I see everywhere people calling it one of the hardest jobs to play. That’s a big dub in my book. We should pat the devs on the back when they add a job with skill expression like EW monk and admonish dumbing things down like 6.1 SAM

I'd say the reason why they do those sweaping job changes is because they had huge success with Ninja in 5.2, if I right remember

Originally Posted by Kolsykol

Making Jumps more powerful is definitely one of the things I wish for the most, I think Jumps feel too weak when they're meant to be the unique niche of DRG.
With MNK they made the concept of a '' combo master '' a bit more of a reality, with DRG I hope they push the Jumps as the big thing where the big damage really comes from.

Taking a quick look on the job guide it’s odd that High Jump, available every 30 seconds has a potency of 400, but Spineshatter and Dragonfire at 60 and 120 seconds have 250 and 300 potency respectively, and even regular Jump has a potency of 320. That’s always been rather weird to me given how much of a big deal Dragonfire felt at level 50, but gets beaten by plain ol jump two levels later.

I am a Dragoon main, I hardly enjoy or play anything else. I love Dragoon to an insane degree. With that being said I'd also like to add my 2 cents here. I am not sure what "extensive" fixes Dragoon really needs. My main issues are everyone dragoon players issues... a change to battle litany. Problem simply is that Square Enix has "explained" some of their changes in the past... like Kaiten on samurai... removing it to battle the ongoing button bloat while stuff like 2 Shohas and 2 different 120s OGCDs exist with a tied CD. There were so many suggestions from the community on how to solve that issue without removing Kaiten and seemingly no one asked for it in the first place.

This is where my main concern comes in... what do we change on Dragoon? Will SE remove jumps? Remove positionals? Make the rotation easier? As someone who greatly enjoys optimizing Dragoon, I can think of a few changes that would be cool... however given prievous experience with XIVs way of reworks... I am quite frankly not looking forward to it. Summoner rework was nice yes... but it had all its complexity thrown out of the window, Monk rework was also... successful... after the class was notorious for being changed every other patch. So for the love of Halone, I hope that square enix doesn't do anything stupid this time... anyways here is some stuff that I think would be cool for Dragoon


Treat high jump as a projectile or gapcloser rather than a... not-gapcloser: Main issue is that its neither a gapcloser nor a ranged attack as you simply just go to the boss and then back... this savage tier I had to hold it in quite a few instances to avoid getting clipped by an attack which is annoying. So I hope that instead of being the weird thing it is right now, it becomes more reliable to use in encounters and in line with other dragoon ogcds


Shorten stardivers animation lock or fix the netcode... just so people with bad ping dont clip... can still take up 2 weave windows as I think it just makes the ability feel much cooler.

A personal or raidwide utility/defensive cooldown would be cool: Maybe we can replace dragonsight? Its not like its very unique after its lost its leash... other melees provide things that dragoon simply doesn't have... ninja has a shield, monk has mantra, reaper has a shield+raidwide regen... it would be cool for more DPS classes such as dragoon to have a bit more utility/defensive stuff


2 charges for elusive jump: dodging mechanics with this feels super satisfying and having more of it wouldn't hurt dragoon.

Thank you for your response and for throwing ideas out there! Also yeah I'm in the same boat I don't really think it needs major changes either but its worth at least trying to have a discussion so we can say we gave them a civil response to this interesting news.

Originally Posted by Kolsykol

How would you know this when you don't play MNK ( you haven't even started Pugilist )?

I mean, every rework will be '' debatable '' whether it's good or not.
Not everyone is going to like every rework.
But I think that from a mechanical viewpoint MNK is well-designed and functional.
When you understand how it plays then it flows together very nicely.

Who says I don't? I've maxed every melee job except Paladin and DRG. I will admit though that Monk was never very appealing to me, and the Endwalker rework didn't change that. By far my favorite iteration of it was during Stormblood, but Endwalker's is far superior to the rubbish we had towards late Shadowbringers especially.