Whats going on over there?

[Kranel_San]

So no Female Hrothgar until next xpac although we were told otherwise at the beginning of this cycle.

Relic step locked behind a seriously unfunny and pointless part of the game that has the community up in arms the moment it was announced.

No new actual relic world building, nothing akin to Bozja or Eureka.

The new Criterion dungs are just copied from WoW's Mythic + content.

It may be time for the developers to decide whether they want to focus on FF16MayCry or their "magnum opus". The latter reeeaaalllyyyy feels to be stagnating at this point.

Just because criterion dungeons are competitive high-end dungeons doesn't mean they're copy & paste from WoW's mythic + dungeons based on what they told us today.
In fact, even if it turned out to be copy & paste mythic+, you'd have to realize it's one of few contents (The others raiding and PvP) that has and is carrying WoW right now through the mess of expansions which speaks a lot about the feature itself.
I'd say it's time to stop doomsaying and wait for the patch because there is a lot of unnecessary doomsaying right now. Having baseless negative expectations and points of view will affect how the patch is going to be perceived when it goes live, which will lead to further mess.
Sure the devs didn't make great decisions sometimes, but that doesn't mean they make bad decisions all the time.

[Issaella]

Just because criterion dungeons are competitive high-end dungeons doesn't mean they're copy & paste from WoW's mythic + dungeons based on what they told us today.
In fact, even if it turned out to be copy & paste mythic+, you'd have to realize it's one of few contents (The others raiding and PvP) that has and is carrying WoW right now through the mess of expansions which speaks a lot about the feature itself

It's not. Blizz going all in on M+ was the reason I quit WoW and came here 3+ years ago. They have gone even further "all in" on M+ as the main progression route since then and driven off most of their playerbase as a result. M+ in WoW is the most miserable experience imaginable to a lot of people - gatekeeping entry by gear/io score, repeat the same 5 dungeons over and over and over and over, torturous and unfun modifiers regularly, poor rewards, massive toxicity due to the gatekeeping and poor rewards...

It. Is. Awful.

I really hope that the new Criterion dungeons will do things differently, because if it turns into the FF14 version of M+ I'm goings to be unbelievably disappointed.

EDIT - Take the misery/despair that is doing current tier Sav in FF14 exclusively through the PF and increase it by an order of magnitude to get an idea of the horror that is M+ in WoW. I am not exaggerating about this. At all.

[Ranaku]

So no Female Hrothgar until next xpac although we were told otherwise at the beginning of this cycle.

Relic step locked behind a seriously unfunny and pointless part of the game that has the community up in arms the moment it was announced.

No new actual relic world building, nothing akin to Bozja or Eureka.

The new Criterion dungs are just copied from WoW's Mythic + content.

It may be time for the developers to decide whether they want to focus on FF16MayCry or their "magnum opus". The latter reeeaaalllyyyy feels to be stagnating at this point.

Happens, better later than unpolished and bad.

Highly subjective point of view there.

Maybe wait for later updates?

What is wrong with taking good things from other games? Not like WoW isn't also a copycat.

[XiRon]

So no Female Hrothgar until next xpac although we were told otherwise at the beginning of this cycle.

Tbf I recall them saying "later", no set date but considering they released fviera and mhrothgar at the same time the decision to leave fhroth in the planning stages really sticks in my eye.
Like...we've heard not seen a thing about them but mviera got a damn trailer the second they were announced.

[Raim]

Nobody promised you Female Hrothgar this expansion cycle or a specific date. The relic step story is questionable, but it will flesh out a lot of the game's side content like it did with HW/ARR with fates and dungeons again. The Criterion dungeons are not like M+ at all. It scales to 1-4 players. It doesn't require fixed comps (at least in normal). It has two modes. You don't lose all progress when you wipe. And the combat in XIV doesn't allow for that level of complexity since we have very little crowd control and kiting in this game. Its just going to be like HoH tier difficulty.

[Vrankyl]

Nobody promised you Female Hrothgar this expansion cycle or a specific date. The relic step story is questionable, but it will flesh out a lot of the game's side content like it did with HW/ARR with fates and dungeons again. The Criterion dungeons are not like M+ at all. It scales to 1-4 players. It doesn't require fixed comps (at least in normal). It has two modes. You don't lose all progress when you wipe. And the combat in XIV doesn't allow for that level of complexity since we have very little crowd control and kiting in this game. Its just going to be like HoH tier difficulty.

Actually there are three modes.

Variant dungeons vary between 1-4 players, have alternating paths, and a NPC helper with no assigned roles and the ability to swap classes while in the dungeon.

Criterion Dungeons are 4 players only with matchmaking. 1 tank, 2 dps, and 1 healer. Visually similar to variant route but the route is predetermined, enemy strength is different, and no assisting NPC. Normal methods of resurrections are prohibited but each player has limited number of revival actions.

Criterion Dungeons Savage are premade 4 player groups with no resurrection at all, defeated enemies reviving after a party KO, and enemies becoming stronger if not defeated within the time limit.

Honestly I am super hyped for this.