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  1. #11
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    butchersblock's Avatar
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    Jinn Goda
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vencio View Post
    Apparently by supporting the opposite changes that were already in effect has drawn hostility by those that are still reluctant & still yearn to revert ot back.

    The job is already set on stone as it is & it is NOT dead.

    What more can I say?
    You didn't answer my question. Why are you complaining?
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  2. #12
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    Vencio Luirex
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    Faerie
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by butchersblock View Post
    You didn't answer my question. Why are you complaining?
    Being called Troll ongoing for one when truly I am not? There’s your answer.

    RyuuZero this is for you,

    Before 6.1 SAM was still at its greatest peak & its one DPS job I value with such reverance that sadly it was also targeted as the “selfish DPS” when in truth it far delivered great consistency & ungodly bursts & Kaiten was the bonus for that without disagreeing otherwise.

    Though I will be frank I will never know why Kaiten was removed & though it took me a week to adjust its changes, I cannot deny that I do support the streamlined of abilities which (as I’ve previously mentioned) makes it far pragmatic, simpler & just buff up other areas. This very same point landed me with harsh criticisms & attacks particularly for those that deemed me to say “I don’t know how to play the job or Trolling” when in truth I do & at the same time a casual that just strolls about simpler content & couldn’t be bothered with savage etc., in which parse damage is a domain by which some players honored & reinforced. I don’t object to that while at the same time I dislike how it slowly seeks to make it a META (as an ex WoW I was always adamant & I am glad this game takes a different approach to that).

    On short, I do miss Kaiten while I am also moving on & can sort of see the Dev’s perspective on it & the job still retains strong as it is.

    It is not butchered nor left out on the dust.

    Yes I do strongly support shortening abilities & a reason why I adore PvP’s simplicity so therefore I am able to have more spatial awareness & appreciate the fictional world in my eyes rather than have a flooded ability bars go over my screen & disperse my ideal of immersion.

    Yes I play on Ps4 & no longer fond of PC.

    I hope this was a sufficient answer to you RyuuZero
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  3. #13
    Player Ransu's Avatar
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    Raansu Omiyari
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    Gilgamesh
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    Samurai Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Vencio View Post
    Happy Friday! How goes?

    To keep it short & simple,

    SAM job is not “dead” as many deemed it to be all because of being streamlined which frankly the job still remains just effectively good unless you allow yourself for parse damage dictate otherwise.

    Thank you Yoshida for remaining steady with your changes & I was one of the few that supported 6.1 SAM’s changes which I am far delighted & pleased.

    I look forward to see what’s beyond 6.2 in the future & once again thank you for remaining truthful & absolute wirh your changes!

    Cheers,
    What optimism? The backlash from SAM was so severe they actually are delaying the SAM And AST changes they had planned. It's basically a firm admission they are well aware we are beyond pissed off and DRG/AST are also extremely popular jobs like SAM was.

    The likelihood of SAM changes coming in 6.2 and us potentially getting kaiten back just doubled. Go back into your little cave you troll.

    Quote Originally Posted by ThorneDynasty View Post
    Oh wow, so instead of being bitter and passive aggressive because those whiny vocal SAM players are "taking away" attention, maybe I should actually be supportive because someone finally being loud enough to force SE to rethink their baffling job design philosophy might just save my main from being butchered in the future?

    Who'd thunk.
    This. DRG is my second favorite job and was my old main before SAM was introduced. Them holding off on the redesign of DRG is huge imo. While I miss HW DRG design, the current DRG for the most part is really well balanced. I wish stardiver did more damage, but the overall design of its rotation is really good.

    Quote Originally Posted by RyuuZero View Post
    okay, then elaborate why you like the current Direction of Samurai,
    Look at a certain log site and you will have your answer.
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    Last edited by Ransu; 07-01-2022 at 11:33 PM.

  4. #14
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    Vencio Luirex
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransu View Post
    What optimism? The backlash from SAM was so severe they actually are delaying the SAM And AST changes they had planned. It's basically a firm admission they are well aware we are beyond pissed off and DRG/AST are also extremely popular jobs like SAM was.

    The likelihood of SAM changes coming in 6.2 and us potentially getting kaiten back just doubled. Go back into your little cave you troll.
    Not surprised,

    So what exactly is wrong & so offended to you that I disagree otherwise?
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  5. #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vencio View Post
    Being called Troll ongoing for one when truly I am not? There’s your answer.
    huh? You started gloating and antagonizing the posters, I'm not quite sure what you were expecting.

    In the words of your brethren: cope
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  6. #16
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    Celesti Cer
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    Alchemist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Vencio View Post
    No one asked you to post here nor am I trolling.

    While not surprised this is new, it’s honestly getting old…..why not just walk away & keep to your posts Celesticer instead of further spamming as though in attempts to flood this posts?
    You have in the past according to your post history, been very vocal to trolling Samurai threads and Samurai posts specifically for reasons I can't quite explain. Over 30 anti-Samurai posts btw... across multiple threads... it is actually obnoxious. Then again I won't digress trying to rationalize human stupidity... You will be met with a lot of push back, for obvious reasons. It's trolling, with 0 argue points even if you were genuine as you have been for 3 months.

    This thread is just Dismissive and Misleading of what Samurai's genuinely want. I don't speak for all Samurai's, but my god... " this thread, definitely does NOT speak for me as a Samurai only player ".
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  7. #17
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    Vencio Luirex
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    Quote Originally Posted by butchersblock View Post
    huh? You started gloating and antagonizing the posters, I'm not quite sure what you were expecting.

    In the words of your brethren: cope
    The same can be said of some of you (not at you directly regardless).

    Either outcome it all resulted into hostility & evidently we’re living in times where certain opposite ideas converts a bitter impulsive reaction.

    While I will not shy away from my past posts (which I’ve nothing to hide), this post on the other hand was not meant to antagonize anyone nor provoke those whom lately had “skirmishes” based on the highlights of today.

    All in all feel free to judge otherwise
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  8. #18
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    xAFROx's Avatar
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    Gin'ei Mikazuki
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    Mateus
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    Samurai Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Vencio View Post
    Being called Troll ongoing for one when truly I am not? There’s your answer.

    RyuuZero this is for you,

    Before 6.1 SAM was still at its greatest peak & its one DPS job I value with such reverance that sadly it was also targeted as the “selfish DPS” when in truth it far delivered great consistency & ungodly bursts & Kaiten was the bonus for that without disagreeing otherwise.

    Though I will be frank I will never know why Kaiten was removed & though it took me a week to adjust its changes, I cannot deny that I do support the streamlined of abilities which (as I’ve previously mentioned) makes it far pragmatic, simpler & just buff up other areas. This very same point landed me with harsh criticisms & attacks particularly for those that deemed me to say “I don’t know how to play the job or Trolling” when in truth I do & at the same time a casual that just strolls about simpler content & couldn’t be bothered with savage etc., in which parse damage is a domain by which some players honored & reinforced. I don’t object to that while at the same time I dislike how it slowly seeks to make it a META (as an ex WoW I was always adamant & I am glad this game takes a different approach to that).

    On short, I do miss Kaiten while I am also moving on & can sort of see the Dev’s perspective on it & the job still retains strong as it is.

    It is not butchered nor left out on the dust.

    Yes I do strongly support shortening abilities & a reason why I adore PvP’s simplicity so therefore I am able to have more spatial awareness & appreciate the fictional world in my eyes rather than have a flooded ability bars go over my screen & disperse my ideal of immersion.

    Yes I play on Ps4 & no longer fond of PC.

    I hope this was a sufficient answer to you RyuuZero
    If your responses were phrased more this on the regular, you'd be receiving less antagonism, regardless of how much many disagree with your viewpoint.

    Thank you for actually trying to elaborate. We still disagree with the changes and I remain tentative until they actually say something about the feedback proper.
    (11)

  9. #19
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    Zephyr Menodora
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    Zalera
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    White Mage Lv 100
    I don't think I've seen a less popular change for a class in a very long time. I was very excitedly working on my Samurai myself for roleplay reasons and I just felt so deflated after the removal of Kaiten.

    It just really ruined the feel of the class and the fantasy of it all by itself, and I haven't seen a single poster honestly loving the change. If they exist, it has to be such a small minority (like, less than 1%...)
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  10. #20
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    Ryu Kusanagi
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    Cerberus
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    Samurai Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Vencio View Post
    Being called Troll ongoing for one when truly I am not? There’s your answer.

    RyuuZero this is for you,

    Before 6.1 SAM was still at its greatest peak & its one DPS job I value with such reverance that sadly it was also targeted as the “selfish DPS” when in truth it far delivered great consistency & ungodly bursts & Kaiten was the bonus for that without disagreeing otherwise.

    Though I will be frank I will never know why Kaiten was removed & though it took me a week to adjust its changes, I cannot deny that I do support the streamlined of abilities which (as I’ve previously mentioned) makes it far pragmatic, simpler & just buff up other areas. This very same point landed me with harsh criticisms & attacks particularly for those that deemed me to say “I don’t know how to play the job or Trolling” when in truth I do & at the same time a casual that just strolls about simpler content & couldn’t be bothered with savage etc., in which parse damage is a domain by which some players honored & reinforced. I don’t object to that while at the same time I dislike how it slowly seeks to make it a META (as an ex WoW I was always adamant & I am glad this game takes a different approach to that).

    On short, I do miss Kaiten while I am also moving on & can sort of see the Dev’s perspective on it & the job still retains strong as it is.

    It is not butchered nor left out on the dust.

    Yes I do strongly support shortening abilities & a reason why I adore PvP’s simplicity so therefore I am able to have more spatial awareness & appreciate the fictional world in my eyes rather than have a flooded ability bars go over my screen & disperse my ideal of immersion.

    Yes I play on Ps4 & no longer fond of PC.

    I hope this was a sufficient answer to you RyuuZero
    you know I respect that, even if I'm one of those voices wanting Kaiten back, though my main issue with 6.1x PvE Samurai is that 'I have sit on 20 Kenki with nothing to do with' ><" and true! 6.1 PvP Samurai was (maybe still is, but I got rusty with it) great. I mean I witness a 5men Kill from a Samurai and while he killed us, I wasn't even mad, rather proud of him pulling it off.. yet we still won that match xD
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