Dragoon is next

[butchersblock]

Hypothetically if you know the burst window the entire rotation is 2 minutes, then you in theory already know how many skills can be used in a rotation right? They literally have to make changes in order to NOT cap themselves when doing further development and adding new things, unless you really want those burst windows to grow longer, which would slow down gameplay which is something some already criticize about.

This alone tells me you have no idea what you're talking about

You can hit a dummy for a hour and still not learn the rotation. And going dummy to boss are two different things.
Can a dummy help, yes. Do they fix bloat, no.

if you're unable to learn the basics of a rotation after hours of hitting the dummy, maybe you're the issue and not the job? At no point does the game force you to fully grasp any job, and almost all content (EVEN INCLUDING SAVAGE) can be cleared pressing nothing but 1 2 and 3. There is nothing to be gained from kneecapping jobs so you can feel better about yourself. It actively hurts the game for those willing to put in the time and effort to learn the jobs.

[CelestiCer]

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Couldn't agree more

These people... So many rehash the same argument to defend Button Bloat... I'm almost convinced they're bots at this point. Compare their reused argument point and apply it to say...

• Chess removing a key piece like the Rooks and Bishops
• Basketball without traveling and prohibiting dunking
• Baseball making the ball twice as large
• Football prohibiting running and removing the Goalpost
• Soccer without goalkeepers and making the Goal twice as big
• FPS games and removing vulnerable target spots like head for headshots
• League of Legends and remove the R button and passives
• Fighting Games and removing projectiles/blocking/parrying/animation canceling
• Real-Time-Strategy games and removing the need to harvest resources
• PvP-MMO's with their Crowd-Control system removed
• Boxing and removing all left punches
• Chocolate Cake and remove all the... Chocolate?

( PS: I don't even know sports! )

Taking away key components of a Job or Gameplay purely to take stuff away? is a poor argument for gameplay improvement or tackling the so called Button Bloat issue, that's been reused more then the " 500 Gil hooker at Limsa-square ". These people need to Stop... just... just stop... with these horrible takes...

[SilverSkyway]

Can still put time into the job any level. Making easier does not hurt the game. Elites do.
If you just do 1-2-3 and nothing else then you playing poorly. I'm not a pro nor am I good but even so, you should try and use the whole kit. But having 30+ buttons that you need be fast is not healthy nor fun.

Really. If WoW had causal content like FF14 and a story that isn't bad. Lore doesn't need be as good but and not retcon every patch, I would never touched ff14. WoW combat and skills are miles ahead FF14... Though I enjoy FF14 dungeon design too.

[Nizzi]

Can still put time into the job any level. Making easier does not hurt the game. Elites do.
If you just do 1-2-3 and nothing else then you playing poorly. I'm not a pro nor am I good but even so, you should try and use the whole kit. But having 30+ buttons that you need be fast is not healthy nor fun.

Really. If WoW had causal content like FF14 and a story that isn't bad. Lore doesn't need be as good but and not retcon every patch, I would never touched ff14. WoW combat and skills are miles ahead FF14... Though I enjoy FF14 dungeon design too.

"Elites" are a made up fantasy of your mind to cope with the fact that something isn't designed specifically for you. Instead of trying to ruin Dragoon for everyone who loves it, you can simply go play something else that is much easier, like the new Summoner which has a dearth of buttons to press, or healers who hit 2 buttons for over 70% of their casts in any encounter. You haven't even gotten Dragoon to 90, you have 0 idea what "hurts the game" nor what is "healthy" for it. It seems like you've charted the solution for yourself in your post though - you enjoy WoW's combat and skills more than XIV's, so simply go play that for its combat and then casually play XIV for the story at each expansion.

[butchersblock]

If you just do 1-2-3 and nothing else then you playing poorly.

Yeah and? If that's all you can handle, by all means, play poorly, instead of trying to lower the ceiling and floor of every job to match your level. Seems like you've already made up your mind about wanting everything spoonfed to you though so there's little point in trying to convince you otherwise. If the current iteration of extremely easy jobs in FFXIV is too much for you, the only thing I can suggest is playing WoW again.

[SilverSkyway]

If only. WoW doesn't have good casual, housing, story content.

Elitist which many posting in thread are will min-max if game was one button or hundred. Casuals want play a fun game they can zone out on, not do math.