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  1. #771
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    GoatOfWar's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda View Post
    Part of me felt a little disappointed the Manderville weapons weren't over the top and kinda goofy looking like the Sabotender weapons from Gold Saucer...
    The artifact weapons look like npc weapons.
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  2. #772
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    Johanna Yevon
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoatOfWar View Post
    Is it though?
    People are individuals with different tastes.
    Results may Vary

    Im one of those that find Hildibrand Halarious. I enjoyed every second of it
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  3. #773
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    IkaraGreydancer's Avatar
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    Ikara Graydancer
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoatOfWar View Post
    The artifact weapons look like npc weapons.
    What is an npc weapon?
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  4. #774
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    Mike Aettir
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    I think their point was that ARR relics were equal to tome/raid weapons after every significant upgrade, but it wasn't until the final step that they were truly BiS due to their customizable stats and a small bonus to other stats besides. I get why they stopped doing that and made them at most maybe current Extreme trial item levels until the very end when they actually do become BiS, but I think it's a shame.
    The ARR relics were weird.

    They started being equal to raid weapons (i90) but raiders said, what is the point in going after a raid weapon if the relic is the same ilevel and easier to get, which is why raid weapons are now all 5 ilevels above the rest of the gear.

    When second coil came out, initially the weapons weren't on the same level, but upgrades came out and they got custom stats at the Novus stage (i110) which was then given the Nexus stage (i115) before final coil released, effectively making relic weapons BiS then.

    Then, of course, final coil came and again, whilst delayed, relic weapons would outdo raid gear (i135).

    So really, Relic has been at least BiS ilevel for every raid during ARR and it was only during HW that the relic was changed to only be BiS on the absolute final step.
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  5. #775
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    AmpelioB's Avatar
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    Kaimir Barone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey_R View Post
    The ARR relics were weird.

    They started being equal to raid weapons (i90) but raiders said, what is the point in going after a raid weapon if the relic is the same ilevel and easier to get, which is why raid weapons are now all 5 ilevels above the rest of the gear.

    When second coil came out, initially the weapons weren't on the same level, but upgrades came out and they got custom stats at the Novus stage (i110) which was then given the Nexus stage (i115) before final coil released, effectively making relic weapons BiS then.

    Then, of course, final coil came and again, whilst delayed, relic weapons would outdo raid gear (i135).

    So really, Relic has been at least BiS ilevel for every raid during ARR and it was only during HW that the relic was changed to only be BiS on the absolute final step.
    which honestly kinda sucks, I like the fact that relic would be BiS during catch up content, or at least same spot of it
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  6. #776
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    Astrid Arkwright
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    Brynhildr
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    Quote Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer View Post
    What is an npc weapon?
    I think it might be an awkward way of saying they look generic/boring.

    To me they look really uninspired but maybe they'll look ok when they get a glow. Won't know until then.. you know in like 4 months lol
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  7. #777
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    Judging the look of the relics as they are now, they do seem pretty basic and a little too "on-brand" for the jobs. When I first saw screenshots of them, I almost thought they were re-used models. ( ゚д゚ )
    We'll have to wait and see if they're get any of that Manderville charm. ¯\_( ◉ 3 ◉ )_/¯
    I wish the gear designers would go out out of the box more when designing the max-level job gear and the relic weapons. (✿´ ꒳ ` )

    As for the questline, I'm actually interested in the actual Hilde and Pupu part of it. I hope we don't have to continue the relic quests to see it though. (*≧▽≦)ノシ))
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    Last edited by Mimilu; 10-27-2022 at 09:58 AM.

  8. #778
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    Ikara Graydancer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimilu View Post
    Judging the look of the relics as they are now, they do seem pretty basic and a little too "on-brand" for the jobs. When I first saw screenshots of them, I almost thought they were re-used models. ( ゚д゚ )
    We'll have to wait and see if they're get any of that Manderville charm. ¯\_( ◉ 3 ◉ )_/¯
    I wish the gear designers would go out out of the box more when designing the max-level job gear and the relic weapons. (✿´ ꒳ ` )

    As for the questline, I'm actually interested in the actual Hilde and Pupu part of it. I hope we don't have to continue the relic quests to see it though. (*≧▽≦)ノシ))
    I can't think of a first stage that has ever wowed me tbh.
    On brand for jobs doesn't seem like a complaint tbh. That seems to be a good thing
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  9. #779
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    Mimilu's Avatar
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    Mimiji Miji
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    Quote Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer View Post
    I can't think of a first stage that has ever wowed me tbh.
    On brand for jobs doesn't seem like a complaint tbh. That seems to be a good thing
    For me, being too on brand with the jobs' looks, colors, and iconography makes it feel repetitive. (;´Д`)
    With these relics for example; while I wouldn't want them to be cartoonish like the Gold Saucer weapons but maybe they could of had a little more of that Manderville over-the-topness (brighter gold, brighter colors, gems, ornate goldsmith work, etc).
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  10. #780
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    Cesan Duff
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoatOfWar View Post
    The artifact weapons look like npc weapons.
    where can I find these NPC weapons?
    So I can glam them without having to do work.
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