Hildibrand for relic? Really?

[Vahlnir]

yes...... That's how it works.
The last step is most likely the BiS one.
Has something changed? was SB and SHB relic not BiS in last step?

I think their point was that ARR relics were equal to tome/raid weapons after every significant upgrade, but it wasn't until the final step that they were truly BiS due to their customizable stats and a small bonus to other stats besides. I get why they stopped doing that and made them at most maybe current Extreme trial item levels until the very end when they actually do become BiS, but I think it's a shame.

[hagare]

I think their point was that ARR relics were equal to tome/raid weapons after every significant upgrade, but it wasn't until the final step that they were truly BiS due to their customizable stats and a small bonus to other stats besides. I get why they stopped doing that and made them at most maybe current Extreme trial item levels until the very end when they actually do become BiS, but I think it's a shame.

So equal to latest EX weapons.
hmmm....
correct me if I'm wrong. But the relic IS currently at the same level as EX4's weapons aren't they?
Isn't that how they've always been done?
equal to trial in every step but the last.

[Vahlnir]

So equal to latest EX weapons.
hmmm....
correct me if I'm wrong. But the relic IS currently at the same level as EX4's weapons aren't they?
Isn't that how they've always been done?
equal to trial in every step but the last.

I guess that's what I mean, yeah, and I think I'm also misremembering a few things. I'm tired, so I should probably just stop posting. lol

[Mikey_R]

I think their point was that ARR relics were equal to tome/raid weapons after every significant upgrade, but it wasn't until the final step that they were truly BiS due to their customizable stats and a small bonus to other stats besides. I get why they stopped doing that and made them at most maybe current Extreme trial item levels until the very end when they actually do become BiS, but I think it's a shame.

The ARR relics were weird.

They started being equal to raid weapons (i90) but raiders said, what is the point in going after a raid weapon if the relic is the same ilevel and easier to get, which is why raid weapons are now all 5 ilevels above the rest of the gear.

When second coil came out, initially the weapons weren't on the same level, but upgrades came out and they got custom stats at the Novus stage (i110) which was then given the Nexus stage (i115) before final coil released, effectively making relic weapons BiS then.

Then, of course, final coil came and again, whilst delayed, relic weapons would outdo raid gear (i135).

So really, Relic has been at least BiS ilevel for every raid during ARR and it was only during HW that the relic was changed to only be BiS on the absolute final step.

[AmpelioB]

The ARR relics were weird.

They started being equal to raid weapons (i90) but raiders said, what is the point in going after a raid weapon if the relic is the same ilevel and easier to get, which is why raid weapons are now all 5 ilevels above the rest of the gear.

When second coil came out, initially the weapons weren't on the same level, but upgrades came out and they got custom stats at the Novus stage (i110) which was then given the Nexus stage (i115) before final coil released, effectively making relic weapons BiS then.

Then, of course, final coil came and again, whilst delayed, relic weapons would outdo raid gear (i135).

So really, Relic has been at least BiS ilevel for every raid during ARR and it was only during HW that the relic was changed to only be BiS on the absolute final step.

which honestly kinda sucks, I like the fact that relic would be BiS during catch up content, or at least same spot of it

[AnnRam]

Since HW relic weapons have been the most unfriendly anti-fun system in any MMO.

SB Relic was probably the WORST one demanding people to run CT raid 100 times.

[Thamorian]

Can't please everyone. There will always be people who gripe and moan about content or how the content is implemented. If you don't like the Hildebrand quests, just skip all the dialogue and cutscenes. For me, anything is better than ARR style relics. Curse those damn books!

[Jettinson]

Not everyone enjoyed Eureka, Ivalice, or Bozja either.

As an Ivalice enjoyer, god I am glad EW relic didn't lock behind another raid series, atleast Hildibrand is mostly cutscenes and easy to solo unsynch trials (with exception of SB but at least does not need 8 people for that)

Unlocking Bozja relics.... I still have nightmares on trying to clear Orbonne with almost a hour of queue, people immediately leaving when we got it, dying to every boss, me praying no one would vote to abandon duty, it was... torture. It became one of my favorites but damn Orbonne got that reputation.

[GTK0HLK]

yeah, it's nice..,
and we are doing actual Relics.
maybe not recreated like ARR..,<which then went further beyond>
and it isn't anything new like HW/SB..,
or a "Continuation" with Bozja.

it's just playing about with the Relics a lineage wants to recreate.

honestly more interesting and down to eitherys.<if that eitherys could solve the majority of its issues with just a flex of a muscle fiber.>