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  1. #21
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    Deceptus's Avatar
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    Hildibrand has been going on since ARR and it's been side content since then. It's ridiculous to try to and make 10 years worth of content mandatory for EW relics.

    This is (IMHO) a terrible design decision. Hildy's humor is extremely subjective and is completely unenjoyable to a lot of people.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    CaptainLagbeard's Avatar
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    Odin
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    White Mage Lv 100
    The entire questchain is a bit too long to lock stuff behind... It's one of those quest chains that was more reasonable to do as it got updated... But going through the entire thing from start to finish for newer players does take a while.

    And there are people who don't like Hildibrand as well, so yea. Not really a great decision.
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  3. #23
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    Reinha's Avatar
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    Reinha Sorrowmoon
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    Odin
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    Reaper Lv 100
    I never did any of the relics for the story so I don't mind. Glamour is the whole point so if Hildy weapons look good I'll get them.
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  4. #24
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    Jandor's Avatar
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    Tal Young
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    Cerberus
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Is there no Eureka/Bozja area this time? I know they age rather poorly, but I did enjoy both when they were current.
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  5. #25
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    Kaurhz's Avatar
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    Asuka Kirai
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    Sagittarius
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Xeronia View Post
    I had skipped every ARR Hildibrand cutscene on an alt with a friend, that alone was 4-6 hours (I know it was greater then four hours but I forgot the exact time) with healer queue and giving up finding anyone for second trial and just going to our mains and carrying the other. ARR Hidlibrand is really fetch questy even with cutscene skipping.
    I don't know, I recall skipping it a couple of months back and it didn't really take me long at all. I can certainly say it wasn't longer than 4 hours. I think Stormblood took me around 45-60 minutes to finish. Maybe I'll try later on my alt.

    But was your endeavor on doing it on an alt pre-flying or post-flying? The former definitely going to take considerably longer than the latter. Regardless of this though, the relics are designed to be a grindy piece of content, and honestly if people are already being sent to their knees by the requirement being Hildibrand then I argue they probably won't make it very far in the first place.
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  6. #26
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    Amenara's Avatar
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    Rhela Tsurugi
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    Gilgamesh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jandor View Post
    Is there no Eureka/Bozja area this time? I know they age rather poorly, but I did enjoy both when they were current.
    They haven't said yes or no to it yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if they dropped the open world instanced zones in favor of a new deep dungeon for this expansion.
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  7. #27
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    Youkulm's Avatar
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    Arle Egress
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    Gilgamesh
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Hildibrand has been going on since ARR and it's been side content since then. It's ridiculous to try to and make 10 years worth of content mandatory for EW relics.

    This is (IMHO) a terrible design decision. Hildy's humor is extremely subjective and is completely unenjoyable to a lot of people.
    Relic is side content too. If you don't like Hildebrand but want the weapons, just skip the cutscenes. It's not difficult content and wouldn't take that long.
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  8. #28
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jandor View Post
    Is there no Eureka/Bozja area this time? I know they age rather poorly, but I did enjoy both when they were current.
    That team is probably 100% focused on the massive Island Sanctuary content and making sure it works.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  9. #29
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    RobynDaBank's Avatar
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    Hope Sunflame
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    Twintania
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    White Mage Lv 90
    The heck? Hildibrand quests look awfully overrated and tying powerful weapons to a clownfest is just weird.
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  10. #30
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    Syln's Avatar
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    Saya Finwel
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    Omega
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Why not ? As much as i love hildibrand being it's own thing apart from anything else, i'm looking forward to this !
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