Hildibrand for relic? Really?

[Gemina]

I don't know. In my eyes, I think SE should really evaluate whether or not to work on content they feel they need to merge with a relic questline in order to get players to do it. I mean they continue to work on things like this when things like instanced housing, deep dungeons, and reducing bots are among the highest in demand.

Besides, how can you truly know which players truly enjoy the Hildabrand questline when you make it a requirement for something they do actually want? Do you want to force content down our throats, or actually give players the ability to choose which content they go into?

[jameseoakes]

I don't know. In my eyes, I think SE should really evaluate whether or not to work on content they feel they need to merge with a relic questline in order to get players to do it. I mean they continue to work on things like this when things like instanced housing, deep dungeons, and reducing bots are among the highest in demand.

Besides, how can you truly know which players truly enjoy the Hildabrand questline when you make it a requirement for something they do actually want? Do you want to force content down our throats, or actually give players the ability to choose which content they go into?

It seems a bit odd how little faith they seem to have in the own content and how desperate they seem to railroad people into content

[IDontPetLalas]

I don't know. In my eyes, I think SE should really evaluate whether or not to work on content they feel they need to merge with a relic questline in order to get players to do it. I mean they continue to work on things like this when things like instanced housing, deep dungeons, and reducing bots are among the highest in demand.

Besides, how can you truly know which players truly enjoy the Hildabrand questline when you make it a requirement for something they do actually want? Do you want to force content down our throats, or actually give players the ability to choose which content they go into?

Some content is usually required in order to start the relic quests. You didn't get to choose whether or not you wanted to complete the Ivalice raid series did you, for the Shadowbringers weapon? No.

However, what you need to do to complete the relic grind is a completely different story - for the Resistance weapon there were options- fates, raids, deep dungeon- that was a good approach, even if this new relic is more "quest oriented" those quests could hopefully allow for a choice of solo or group or alliance content.

[Mika_Zahard]

What a great decision. Hildibrand is some of the games best content, and judging by this thread, it's obvious there are many who need to have their hand forced a bit.

Why do you think forcing players to do something is good at all?

The **** is wrong with you??

[Hanayumi]

Dont like, then dont do, its that simple! Unlike Bozja or Eureka that had a lot more rewards tied to it, this sounds like its a purely quest driven one and likely to have just the relic going for it.

[FatalFatalis]

The questline isn't that long lol, it takes 1 or 2 days to complete.
I'm curious what the grind will be this time, if there is one at all, maybe Gold Saucer farm? That would be weird but would fit thematically.

[Gemina]

The questline isn't that long lol, it takes 1 or 2 days to complete.
I'm curious what the grind will be this time, if there is one at all, maybe Gold Saucer farm? That would be weird but would fit thematically.

It's enough to break routine, and that's what tends to grind gears when it comes to forced content. Breaking routine is not bad, and actually a good thing if it is something the person actually wants to do. People who actually want to run Hildabrand won't have any issues breaking away from their daily grinds, and will be refreshing for them. For everyone else, it's a chore. They don't want to see the cutscenes. They don't want to read or skip through a ton of dialogue. They want nothing to do with the questline. Devs need to see by making these kind of decisions they cater to a minority while pissing off the majority. These are not good decisions, and this is coming from someone who defends this team to no end.

[IDontPetLalas]

It's enough to break routine, and that's what tends to grind gears when it comes to forced content. Breaking routine is not bad, and actually a good thing if it is something the person actually wants to do. People who actually want to run Hildabrand won't have any issues breaking away from their daily grinds, and will be refreshing for them. For everyone else, it's a chore. They don't want to see the cutscenes. They don't want to read or skip through a ton of dialogue. They want nothing to do with the questline. Devs need to see by making these kind of decisions they cater to a minority while pissing off the majority. These are not good decisions, and this is coming from someone who defends this team to no end.

I'm curious as to how that you would know that of the players that are interested in the relic- and I have no idea of how many complete this completely optional content - how would you know "Devs need to see by making these kind of decisions they cater to a minority while pissing off the majority. These are not good decisions"

I understand that it's your opinion, and clearly there are others in this thread that share that opinion. However others do not. I could understand if you're disappointed in a decision - even if many details haven't been released as yet- however there are likely a fair amount of people who are looking forwards to the new relic.

[Gemina]

I'm curious as to how that you would know that of the players that are interested in the relic- and I have no idea of how many complete this completely optional content - how would you know "Devs need to see by making these kind of decisions they cater to a minority while pissing off the majority. These are not good decisions"

Because it's not about knowing the players. It's about knowing the content. It's niche, optional content so it is just common sense to know that not only will the content not appeal to everyone, it will indeed appeal to very specific players. That's a big problem. Imagine requiring players to do tribe quests, squadrons, or custom deliveries in order to advance the relic. Same thing on all accounts.

Relic grinds making players go into PvE content is fine. Incentivizing relic grinders to run older content helps new players. Forcing a player to do Hildabrand does this, how?

I understand that it's your opinion, and clearly there are others in this thread that share that opinion. However others do not. I could understand if you're disappointed in a decision - even if many details haven't been released as yet- however there are likely a fair amount of people who are looking forwards to the new relic.

It's not an opinion that more players are interested in the relic than Hildabrand. It's also not an opinion that a lot of players don't want to be required to do a long questline on top of another long questline to obtain said relic. Those are facts whether you choose to see them as such or not. And if you need more convincing, you only need to look at the fact that the devs chose to gate the relic behind the Hildabrand questline.

[IDontPetLalas]

Because it's not about knowing the players. It's about knowing the content. It's niche, optional content so it is just common sense to know that not only will the content not appeal to everyone, it will indeed appeal to very specific players. That's a big problem. Imagine requiring players to do tribe quests, squadrons, or custom deliveries in order to advance the relic. Same thing on all accounts.

Relic grinds making players go into PvE content is fine. Incentivizing relic grinders to run older content helps new players. Forcing a player to do Hildabrand does this, how?


It's not an opinion that more players are interested in the relic than Hildabrand. It's also not an opinion that a lot of players don't want to be required to do a long questline on top of another long questline to obtain said relic. Those are facts whether you choose to see them as such or not. And if you need more convincing, you only need to look at the fact that the devs chose to gate the relic behind the Hildabrand questline.

I'm not at all disagreeing that some people might not want to go through the Hildebrand quests. However, once again you're stating that "a lot" of players don't want to do that.

Well, likely 'a lot" of players might not have wanted to unlock Ivalice for the Resistance weapon. or do POTD, or do you remember the second one-time step- newer player might have had to unlock Alexander, Omega and Eden to do that. in this case, we could actual go back and check , since we can see how many people completed them and get their feedback.

You're objecting to optional content that's required to do optional content, where in the past optional content was also required to do this optional content? You're also objecting to some unknown quantity of people objecting to a grind, upon what is typically grindy content I might add, when we have almost no facts to go on other than 1 LL which consists of a few slides and not much else. Can you now understand why I might not agree with you here, and would rather wait until we get more facts?