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    SpitbreakFTW's Avatar
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    Spitty The'meowscular
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    Midgardsormr
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    Alchemist Lv 90

    Required LB3 Fights Are Terrible And Bad

    I just failed The Final Day fight TWICE because two different people disconnected midfight. Meaning we didn't have an LB3, meaning we died. Mandatory LB3 doesn't actually add anything to gameplay. It's a glorified Press X To Win Game quicktime event. All such a mechanic brings to the table is the ability to have the fight ruined by garbage netcode.

    LB3 was always one final burst of damage to finish off a fight, or a healer's saving throw after everything went pear-shaped. And tank LB was always totally irrelevant. And that WORKED. Then they came along and fixed what wasn't broken by forcing Tank LB3, and now it's actually broken. Good job.
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    Timotheus Reed
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    Omega
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    I honestly like the overall concept of a LB and I especially like it the most in the new Pvp mode.

    I feel Square should rework the whole LB system and make it so everyone has their own individual LB gauge and every class has its own individual LB in PVE.
    Also don't make PVE fights require LB3 anymore and make every class have their individual LB similar to Pvp. Also make it charge faster.

    As a tank I almost never use my LB in PVE except for some fights where it is required. But in Pvp I use my LB all the time.
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    Vidu Moriquendi
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    Odin
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    Bard Lv 90
    While thos instances are frustrating I actually like having to use the tank LB3 once in a while - or rather: getting to use it once in a while. I'm probably a little biased here but as tank you're mostly not allowed to touch that button and having moments where you summon a giant shield to save your whole party can be pretty amazing. If it werent for that we might as well remove the tank LB alltogether.

    ...which, maybe we should - or think of something different. But until that happens I'll take getting to use it once in a while over not using it at all. Even if it comes with the occassional frustration because fights being unwinable if someone DCs.
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    Oscarlet Oirellain
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    Jenova
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    Warrior Lv 100
    I prefer it when we find good times to use tank LB3 without being forced to, such as with Byakko, Garuda or the Ultima Weapon.
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    In other news, there is no technical debt from 1.0.
    "We don't have ... a technological issue that was carried over from 1.0, because ARR was meant to kind of discard what we had from 1.0 and rebuild it from the engine."
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    Avi Taro
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    Behemoth
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    Bard Lv 100
    Alternatively they should change it so it doesn't vanish if someone disconnects and/or reconnects mid fight
    Unsure if or how that could be done but it's always been incredibly annoying
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    "Run when you have to, fight when you must, rest when you can." - Elyas Machera, The Wheel of Time

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    Chadhadai Oronir
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    They should just make it so that one dude disconnecting doesn't screw the whole party out of their Limit Break gauge.
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    Aeonna Calvados
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    Ultros
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    Reaper Lv 100
    There's nothing wrong with the mechanic of requiring tank LB to survive a mechanic. The issue is the bar resetting when a player disconnects. That should be changed.
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    Saraide Derosa
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    Odin
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    For the coolness factor I would say keep making fights that use it. However losing access to the third lb bar because of a disconnect is obviously a problem and should be changed. In all normal mode fights atleast that require a certain LB used it should never fall under that required amount, no matter how many people disconnect.
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    Aelona Chillwind
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    Lich
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    Ninja Lv 100
    LB is a unique FFXIV mechanic, I don't think the devs should just abandon it as a game mechanic in this regard just because shit happens sometimes.
    They could solve the disconnect issue with the LB gauge instead.

    It's the same in Aglaia with the weights, just because some trolls or clueless people exist doesn't mean we shouldn't get those types of mechanics.
    We end up severely limiting what devs can do once we begin going down that road.
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    Erotic Humor
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    Balmung
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    Lancer Lv 29
    Quote Originally Posted by TimotheusReed View Post
    I honestly like the overall concept of a LB and I especially like it the most in the new Pvp mode.

    I feel Square should rework the whole LB system and make it so everyone has their own individual LB gauge and every class has its own individual LB in PVE.
    Also don't make PVE fights require LB3 anymore and make every class have their individual LB similar to Pvp. Also make it charge faster.

    As a tank I almost never use my LB in PVE except for some fights where it is required. But in Pvp I use my LB all the time.
    I like this. Give everyone their own individual LB. It would allow some fights salvageable, instead of the usual events where one person dying results in either a domino effect of death or outright death.
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