Is there anyway to cancel Patience II but keeping Identical Cast effect?

[Fruity_Snacks]

Only it's not, if patience stops at 1, then you can't even out wait it, so your stuck with it on, right?

It will not be removed (there is no timer) if you are mid cast.
It will be removed if you're just standing there, waiting to cast out.

[Caimie_Tsukino]

It is entirely possible that you can use Patience II, get many stacks, have your Hi-Cordial come off cooldown and be fine in a spectral current. However, because you have zero control and cannot tell when a current will happen, it is best to play around getting one at any time [before 1:30 remaining]. Patience II has a higher return in terms of guaranteeing you large-sized fish, but there are too many potential drawbacks:
- The GP cost. You will want to use a Hi-Cordial after expending so much GP, which is not good because you have no idea if/when a spectral current will proc but if it happens within 1m of you using it, you won't be able to use a Hi-Cordial in the spectral current at all.
- If you are at low GP because you're not using a Hi-Cordial because of the above drawback is also a huge negative. You want to enter the spectral current with full or near full GP. This is more important than entering it with Angler's Art stacks.
- The length of Patience II makes it much more likely that a current will happen while you have it up which is also a large negative. At Lv. 80 - 90 Patience II is an outright worse option than the other skills you have available to you for points. As you know, you can't make realistic use of Double/Triple Hook under it.

What is safer to do if you are at low or 0 stacks is to use Patience twice, with a HQ Watered Cordial between uses preferably. If you don't have or want to use HQ Watered Cordials you might want to consider just one use of it, especially if you already have a few stacks. HQ Watered Cordials are rather safe to use because they have a 2m6s cooldown, so unless a current happens near-immediately after you use it, you will be fine.

In most cases you want to get to 6 stacks before a current but this is absolutely not required and if using Patience once or twice does not get you here it isn't awful. Less, particularly 4-5, is still comfortable to be at because the spectral current has a higher base large-sized rate than the normal zone does; it is likely that you will catch one or two large-sized fish before the high-value fish bites. If it is a current where you aren't aiming to use Identical Cast and instead using multiple TH/DHs like the Cieldalaes or Rhotano at Sunset, starting with 3-6 is fine instead.

One use of Patience typically gets you three bites, sometimes 4-5 in stops with quick biting fish. You can alter your bait usage while using Patience to one which is favored by the quick biting fish to get as many bites as possible under Patience.

Patience II is so poor that it is more valuable if you enter a current with few stacks to do something like Double Hook - Identical Cast - Prize Catch - and if you have the time wait for your GP to regenerate to Triple Hook, or just Double Hook if you don't have the time to wait. If you aren't starting this combination with Double Hook, then you really have zero incentive to use Patience II as the AA stacks you are gaining from it are much less valuable and not required to Hook-IC-PC-TH.

I totally agree with what you said here. Personally, I still like to use Patience II at the very beginning of a voyage, especially if the first area is Ciedalaes or Southern Strait, which are not that great anyway even if a Spectral is spawned. But after that, I have found that Patience is a much safer option than Patience II despite the lower large fish rate. At least I get to retain most of my GP for Spectral, and cancelling Patience isn't such a big deal comparing with the heavy investment of Patience II.

I think the short answer to my question is "No, can't do it", but the better answer is "Not to use Patience II at all unless it's the very beginning of a voyage".

I did not know about the advantage of the Watered Cordial! I'll have to try that out!

Thanks!

Try Patience I or Prize Catch instead when your GP is capped, in that case.

Typically you want to have as much GP going into a spectral as you can and using Patience II prohibits that.

Yes, I have been doing only Patience I or Prize Catch if my GP is capped
Patience II is just too risky beyond the beginning of a voyage.

Only it's not, if patience stops at 1, then you can't even out wait it, so your stuck with it on, right?

It stops at 0 sec and remains active only if Cast is actively in use. If you're just standing there using IC, Patience/Patience II will just dissipate.

[Shadygrove]

I did not know about the advantage of the Watered Cordial! I'll have to try that out!

The other advantage of HQ watered cordials is if you are doing a 2 hr gathering rotation its all the GPs you need between node pops.