Which part of summoner's rotation am I meant to find satisfying?

[pikalovr]

The game runs on whatever code they use, not imagination. There are clearly limits to what can be done. I'm a big fan of pet classes and played one every chance I got. I stuck it out through a lot of different bugs and issues in different games. I would have very much liked to see something functional here, but it's clear that it's not going to happen. I'm not brushing anything off, just accepting the reality of the situation.

btw, Read the full text again if you don't understand what it is I'm saying.

god i love people outing themselves like this, i see why people hunt people like this. you explain to me why our current combat system can handle an entire 50+ abilities being added to the game in the form of bozja lost actions (granted only like 30 were actually new or reused older actions but my point still stands) or an entirely new combat mechanic like the elemental system in eureka. or hell i'll do you one better BLU mage which basically requires unique coding for some abilities or reworking older code from the enemies moves to work in the players hands. but they can't even make AI more responsive or snappy when mobs/bosses have better AI than our pets in THEIR OWN SYSTEMS/coding mind you.

also systems can be updated/changed same with the internal coding will you run into issues? sure thats just coding in general. should it be used as an excuse? absolutely not. especially when they have the funds to hire someone or a team to make a proper pet system despite the technical and systematic issues we had here. i wouldn't doubt if modders had gotten their hands on how pets operate they could've done it in a week. they already made noclippy and alexander XIV which both dealt with the ping and desync issues people had. but we can't expect the company itself to deal with those issues? we should have to rely on outside resources? what about console players? should they be forced to suffer with ping and desync issues instead of something being done about it since it's very clearly able to be done on PCs? should they just give up and let things slide? once again you're brushing off things to defend SE when you and i both know what you bring up is false and shouldn't be an excuse. the only semi excuse they have is the server shortage, and even then it didn't take a meteorologist to see how much the player base was gonna shoot up especially for an expansion that was going to be a big story finale and they could've planned ahead of time.

[ZephyrMenodora]

god i love people outing themselves like this, i see why people hunt people like this.

Comments like this make me feel that some posters are a little unhinged.

[pikalovr]

Comments like this make me feel that some posters are a little unhinged.

why cause we call people out on their BS? and i have to keep doing it so might as well take a little joy in it

[tearagion]

The game runs on whatever code they use, not imagination. There are clearly limits to what can be done. I'm a big fan of pet classes and played one every chance I got. I stuck it out through a lot of different bugs and issues in different games. I would have very much liked to see something functional here, but it's clear that it's not going to happen. I'm not brushing anything off, just accepting the reality of the situation.

btw, Read the full text again if you don't understand what it is I'm saying.

Don't be obtuse, you know what you said was stupid.

It's easy to imagine a functional pet DPS because there's a functional pet Healer. Why are you even pointing to the "code" and saying "see? nothing they could do, they said so after all" are you an employee? Why defend such a flimsy excuse? Every issue with the pets in ShB was from Demi and Egi being mutually exclusive (single exception being Phoenix's infamous Scarlet Flame. No, needing to play around Bahamut wasn't an issue) it's not hard to imagine a Job that puts those two at odds less, or not at all.

[Deveryn]

It's easy to imagine people putting thought into their responses, yet here we are. How does Selene / Eos equate to a pet that can handle constantly attacking mobs and changing on the fly? Take a good look at that system and show me how it actually translates into something that can function on its own in a constantly changing situation. Selene used to be a DPS pet and they took that away.

What do Bozja spells have to do with functioning pet AI? This is almost comical, but generally sad to read through. Apples are being compared to oranges and lugnuts and pencils.


(edit: Unhinged is an understatement)

[ZephyrMenodora]

It's easy to imagine people putting thought into their responses, yet here we are. How does Selene / Eos equate to a pet that can handle constantly attacking mobs and changing on the fly? Take a good look at that system and show me how it actually translates into something that can function on its own in a constantly changing situation. Selene used to be a DPS pet and they took that away.

What do Bozja spells have to do with functioning pet AI? This is almost comical, but generally sad to read through. Apples are being compared to oranges and lugnuts and pencils.


(edit: Unhinged is an understatement)

Honestly the Pet-Summoner ship has sailed, and really all of their comments here aren't going to bring it back. So I guess let them talk in circles *shrug*

[Deveryn]

Honestly the Pet-Summoner ship has sailed, and really all of their comments here aren't going to bring it back. So I guess let them talk in circles *shrug*

Yep. That's the plan.

[tearagion]

How does Selene / Eos equate to a pet that can handle constantly attacking mobs and changing on the fly?

Well they already Embrace allies changing on the fly so I guess the basic attack, for example Wind Blade, is handled. If all pets have to be ranged to manage, so be it I can handle that Garuda-Egi was my favourite anyway. Automaton Queen, however, demonstrates a very stylish dash that could be used to mitigate the melee disadvantage.

As for pet abilities the big problem came from ability queueing, which they handled sluggishly if you for instance tried to weave Devotion and Enkindle after an Egi-Assault, and only was a serious problem if you wanted to follow up with a Demi. The solution here is also easy to imagine extrapolating from SCH, simply don't incentivize slamming all the pet abilities into a narrow window, don't give a variety of oGCDs and GCDs just pick one category, and don't make the cooldowns such that you need to use a bunch before a Demi or they're wasted.

Hopefully this helps you with your feeble imagination, maybe you can have some fun too and extrapolate from other parts of the game, for instance how easily you could solve everything with carefully designed temporary pets who finish their ability queue before despawning (hint: Arcanum summons technically do this even if they just feel like spells).

[fulminating]

I think the issue is the pet was nearly functional enough - they could have made its attacks instant so it could reposition and cast, they could have left positioning it as part of the skill ceiling, they could have removed the ability for demis to wander or whatever it was they did to the faeries to make them feel more responsive. They could even entirely decouple pet skills from the GCD. There was no need to throw the entire system out when it was so close.

[pikalovr]

honestly just ignore them they have no real points aside "but muh limitations". and just want the game to become a one button game, oh wait you basically play most jobs with only one button and clear 90% of content, but our glorious leader SE/yoshi-p couldn't make any mistakes. no we're in the wrong for providing feedback and ways to handle the situation for months and get presented with this dumpster fire instead. don't even bother replying i ain't arguing with someone who doesn't even understand the basics of the systems that they scream "limitiations" at. or even the basics of coding. modders can do what they say they "can't" within one day but sure bud limitations is the issue