Which part of summoner's rotation am I meant to find satisfying?

[pikalovr]

Checking out SMN PvP kinda made me wonder if the devs feel too restricted because of the pets needing to always be out.
I honestly kinda like the idea better of not having smaller summons out and instead having it be this big thing and event like in PvP.

SMN could still draw on Summons powers like in PvP and have more of them obviously.
But like is it really necessary to always have one out at all times?
I kinda like the idea of not having one out at the start then building up to them and having them be more impactful when they do come out rather than just being a consistent and kinda meh always present thing.

the issue is that the summons were never used they were secondary characters instead of the other way around imagine the summons more like machinist queen thats how little they actually affected the grandscheme of things they could've easily had a really good and diverse pet job if they actually wanted you to use the pets and not make them an afterthought that barely did anything. hell they got rid of even having to keep pets hp up which would typically be part of the summoners job (pet jobs in general) and titan became useless basically as soon as htey couldn't draw aggro which got nothing changed for him sadly. supporting the pets and occasionally dealing damage themselves if the game allows it. when you put no emphasis on the pets being the main point of the job of course it's gonna feel unneccessary

right now we have no real pet jobs anymore we have a stance dancer and a fairy/bigger fairy that also wouldn't surprise me if they just made SCH like SMN eventually

[JacobNewblood]

To be honest, they could have just gave SMN pets the SCH pet Treatment.
Make them more responsive, and keep Bahamut/phoenix stationary.
i am so happy that DWT augments our basic spells now, that's cool,
I miss the old phoenix 1-2 combo, heaven forbid a caster other than RDM has one.
why did they take away firebird trance from 72? now we suddenly summon phoenix at 80.

Old SMN not only had buildup in its rotation but spells acquisition as well.

the only build-up we get in any form in new SMN is 1-58 where we get egis and DWT. then nothing really till 70/80/86/90* other than our filler becomes elemental.

even our rotation there isn't anything to build up anymore. we just do. the gauge is just a timer that changes color.

BUT I will admit new smn is nice for I can use SpS on it. which makes it feel nice.. and once relics come I may delete Ruin III from the rotation.

But I agree with other, I don't feel like a SMN anymore. commanding my creations. More of an envoker now.. like FFXVI

[ZephyrMenodora]

So they can get fucked. At least you're honest, if roundabout when expressing it.

I don't see why you are angry at me for being a SMN player since 2014 who also lost enjoyment from the perma-pet version after that went away. It's not up to me. I already accepted this fact when I lost my perma-pets.

I enjoy the class as it is now way more than I did 2 years ago and that's all that matters to me. It's a vast improvement over how annoying I felt the class was, to me, in ShB as I felt I was spending more time watching rotations than enjoying what I was doing.

[tearagion]

I don't see why you are angry at me for being a SMN player since 2014 who also lost enjoyment from the perma-pet version after that went away. It's not up to me. I already accepted this fact when I lost my perma-pets.

I enjoy the class as it is now way more than I did 2 years ago and that's all that matters to me. It's a vast improvement over how annoying I felt the class was, to me, in ShB as I felt I was spending more time watching rotations than enjoying what I was doing.

I'm not angry at you lol, I just want SMN defenders to embrace their true feelings. Congratulations on putting one of them into words.

[ZephyrMenodora]

I'm not angry at you lol, I just want SMN defenders to embrace their true feelings. Congratulations on putting one of them into words.

Not like you care about the enjoyment of those who do like the class right now either, so *shrug*

[Axxion]

I just want to see the numbers at this point for all the jobs.

[tearagion]

Not like you care about the enjoyment of those who do like the class right now either, so *shrug*

Who says I don't care that people enjoy newSMN, no need to project so hard. I just don't think it needed to come at such a steep expense. They didn't delete bard to make dancer.

[aveyond-dreams]

*sigh* all I'm seeing is more and more pages justifying why this rework should have happened in 2013 instead of 2021 and why baiting people into believing Summoner was something it clearly wasn't supposed to be was a bad idea. Shb era SMN should not have been released, no class should have that many systems stacked on top of each other but whatever "enjoyable" mechanics it had should have gone to a Necromancer or Time Mage class while Summoner by this point should have its full pantheon and associated skills.

No one can claim a full victory here.

[ZephyrMenodora]

*sigh* all I'm seeing is more and more pages justifying why this rework should have happened in 2013 instead of 2021 and why baiting people into believing Summoner was something it clearly wasn't supposed to be was a bad idea. Shb era SMN should not have been released, no class should have that many systems stacked on top of each other but whatever "enjoyable" mechanics it had should have gone to a Necromancer or Time Mage class while Summoner by this point should have its full pantheon and associated skills.

No one can claim a full victory here.

Pretty much this 100%

[Katoar]

Prior to 6.0 I started the summoner zodiac relic and recently I found it half-finished in my chocobo saddlebag. I'm currently partway through the book phase, so I've been tasked with a selection of fates among other things. In Shadowbringers the fates while basic were pretty enjoyable - the upkeep of two dots and egi assaults required some attention.

I don't really understand where I am meant to find the engaging gameplay in its current incarnation. I am aware that I'm talking about sub50 smn, but since it hardly changes I don't consider that to be too significant. The order of the carbuncles/primals hardly seems to matter, and even at 90 they hardly change the rotation away from that one button. Is there something else I'm missing here? I can't see any other skills in the actions and traits menu.

I would like to finish this relic, but as it stands I'm struggling to find enjoyment in the job and thus motivation to continue. I guess I could find multiclass mind gear and instead assist my chocobo, but I don't really think that would be particularly fun either.

The Summoning of the Primals or the things that look like the Primals.