"I don't want to think while I play, so no one should be allowed to."

[Selvokaz]

You'll think of me?





So "lore" is a good reason for why healers should have 1 button spam because they only had one attack in 30 year old RPGs but lore is not a good reason for why SCH should've kept its DoTs/Selene, AST should've kept its time magic/diverse cards, etc? Make it make sense!

Yes, because the game's lore is the core of it and its job classes, it's a MAGIC CLASS like other magic classes that use one button to do the heavy part of their damage with similar if not superior potency is why they only need 1 button. They aren't monks, they don't run combos. If anything is a symbol of their strength that they only need 1 button and have comparable power to other MAGIC JOBS. Suggestions like "give healers more combat options." get shot down because there is no grounds for it. White Mages are NOT offensive powerhouses, be thankful they are as powerful offensively as they are period. In any Main series Final Fantasy a after maybe the 3rd game white mages had some secondary mechanic to give them more flavor. in 4 Rosa had Archery skills meaning she was an Archer White Mage, in 7 Aerith had limit breaks, in 8 Rinoa had Angelo, in 9 Garnet had summons, and in 10 Yuna had summons.

You want more but you're not using what you already have but want to say its the game not giving you enough to do with the role you chose to play. That's not a game problem that's a YOU problem, you need to go do content where you have to expend your supposed faster reflexes and analytical mind. Maybe doing Extreme, Savage and Ultimates your only reason for playing if that's what you need to feel that healing is now something you have to do more, do it in pugs I guarantee you you'll be doing nothing but healing there 98% of the time.

[LittleImp]

You want more but you're not using what you already have but want to say its the game not giving you enough to do with the role you chose to play.

What if someone fell in love with the role in HW/SB, and are disappointed at the more recent direction that has fundamentally altered how the role plays? How is the role undergoing vast changes from its original incarnationnot a game problem?

That's not a game problem that's a YOU problem, you need to go do content where you have to expend your supposed faster reflexes and analytical mind.

Even healing in Ultimate consists of spamming one damage button 99% of the time. The design around healing actually isn't that different from all the content elsewhere in the game, it's just fatal if you don't mitigate it properly, which is a collective responsibility for the entire party and not unique to healers. Otherwise it's still a matter of using the exact same heals at the exact same time every pull, while spamming one button the absolute vast majority of the time.

[Selvokaz]

What if someone fell in love with the role in HW/SB, and are disappointed at the more recent direction that has fundamentally altered how the role plays? How is the role undergoing vast changes from its original incarnationnot a game problem?


Even healing in Ultimate consists of spamming one damage button 99% of the time. The design around healing actually isn't that different from all the content elsewhere in the game, it's just fatal if you don't mitigate it properly, which is a collective responsibility for the entire party and not unique to healers. Otherwise it's still a matter of using the exact same heals at the exact same time every pull, while spamming one button the absolute vast majority of the time.

And? you hit the one dps (one of at least 2 that you have) button you have, did you or anyone else die during said content and you brought them back? Did you still clear? Did you contribute 5% or more damage to taking down the boss? if it's yes to any of these then again congratulations its working as intended.
No one here has yet said anything about why the healer jobs legit need to all of a sudden be a special case separate from every other caster.

[Irenia]

I don't know how you can get 90% healing on pugs unless you literally don't ABC.

[Kazelus]

You want more but you're not using what you already have but want to say its the game not giving you enough to do with the role you chose to play. That's not a game problem that's a YOU problem, you need to go do content where you have to expend your supposed faster reflexes and analytical mind. Maybe doing Extreme, Savage and Ultimates your only reason for playing if that's what you need to feel that healing is now something you have to do more, do it in pugs I guarantee you you'll be doing nothing but healing there 98% of the time.

And yet, in FFII, WHM had Ultima, in III, it had Aero. In those games, you would eventually use more healing because, every turns you had damage to heal, but it's not the case in FFXIV, healing is largely spread in small burst heal phase and outside of it, it's insignificant...

Cant tell for Ultimates, but I garantee you that you will do damage for 90% of the time in PUG on EX and Savage. The healing required is low and spread enough so you can wait for your oGCD to come back. People doesn't need to be topped off if there is no damage coming soon... But since you suggested to cast the worst spells of the game to use in a full pack earlier(Succor), I suppose your opinions doesn't matters...

[Rilifane]

You want more but you're not using what you already have but want to say its the game not giving you enough to do with the role you chose to play. That's not a game problem that's a YOU problem, you need to go do content where you have to expend your supposed faster reflexes and analytical mind. Maybe doing Extreme, Savage and Ultimates your only reason for playing if that's what you need to feel that healing is now something you have to do more, do it in pugs I guarantee you you'll be doing nothing but healing there 98% of the time.

You have just proven that
1) you have no idea about healers beyond a very basic "I make HP bars go up <3" level
2) you have no idea about the content you're talking about

I've healed Ex, Savage and Ultimate.
Ex and Savage on release day/ 1st week. I've done plenty of Ex and Savage in PUGs.
On my first UwU kill I had spent 269 out of 423 actions on dps.
89 actions were spent on healing, including downtime healing when we had no target to attack.
The others were things like Sprint, Lucid, potion etc.
89 actions out of 423 spent on healing. In which world is that 98% or "nothing but healing"?

And if we're talking about GCDs... I have bad news for you.
Then I spent a whooping 236 GCDs on dps.
And a measly 38 GCDs on healing... again, counting downtime healing when I had literally nothing else to do but use a shield because I had nothing to attack anyway.
In a level 70 Ultimate where I don't have Recitation, SS trait, Fey Blessing, Seraph, Protraction and Expedient.

And that was the encounter where I healed most. I spend less time healing in weekly savage reclear PUGs that don't mitigate and with a co heal I don't know.

If you could kindly point me to all the Ex, Savage and Ultimates that make me "nothing but heal 98% of the time" I'd be off.

[Nizzi]

Suggestions like "give healers more combat options." get shot down because there is no grounds for it.

Here's my grounds - 1 button spam isn't fun and this videogame should be FUN. Scholar had more DoTs in the past and its lore directly ties into the DoTs and the fairy they took away from us. If we want to go into "muh FF lore" then all you need to look at is FFXI's Scholar to see that SCH had a huge DoT focus there with helix spells and had way more offensive options too. We're using "FF lore!!" as an excuse right? Then there's no excuse for SCH being the way it is. Give me my White and Black Grimoires, give me my weather based spells and DoTs, give me stratagems, give me Modus Veritas to let me reduce the timers on my DoTs and make them do more damage, etc. Lore's lore, right? Give it back then if it matters so much.

You want more but you're not using what you already have but want to say its the game not giving you enough to do with the role you chose to play. That's not a game problem that's a YOU problem, you need to go do content where you have to expend your supposed faster reflexes and analytical mind. Maybe doing Extreme, Savage and Ultimates your only reason for playing if that's what you need to feel that healing is now something you have to do more, do it in pugs I guarantee you you'll be doing nothing but healing there 98% of the time.

Tell me you've never done Savage without telling me you've never done Savage.

[IDontPetLalas]

Yes, because the game's lore is the core of it and its job classes, it's a MAGIC CLASS like other magic classes that use one button to do the heavy part of their damage with similar if not superior potency is why they only need 1 button. They aren't monks, they don't run combos. If anything is a symbol of their strength that they only need 1 button and have comparable power to other MAGIC JOBS. Suggestions like "give healers more combat options." get shot down because there is no grounds for it. White Mages are NOT offensive powerhouses, be thankful they are as powerful offensively as they are period. In any Main series Final Fantasy a after maybe the 3rd game white mages had some secondary mechanic to give them more flavor. in 4 Rosa had Archery skills meaning she was an Archer White Mage, in 7 Aerith had limit breaks, in 8 Rinoa had Angelo, in 9 Garnet had summons, and in 10 Yuna had summons.

You want more but you're not using what you already have but want to say its the game not giving you enough to do with the role you chose to play. That's not a game problem that's a YOU problem, you need to go do content where you have to expend your supposed faster reflexes and analytical mind. Maybe doing Extreme, Savage and Ultimates your only reason for playing if that's what you need to feel that healing is now something you have to do more, do it in pugs I guarantee you you'll be doing nothing but healing there 98% of the time.

If you want to RP, by all means do so, but kindly do so in Limsa, of in your house, or set up a PF to run a dungeon without a job stone if it makes you happy - however please don't request to have any job designed around this one button garbage. No caster hit one button 75% of the time for the majority of their damage.

Also this "you want more but you're not using what you already have"-- . no, that's a YOU problem, because clearly you've ignored the comments from people who already play healers at all levels of comment, and do so in statics as well as pugs.

[tearagion]

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What the fuck did I just read?

[DPZ2]

What the fuck did I just read?

An interpretive dance of the discussion between a Healer and the hoi poloi?