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    Sebazy's Avatar
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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
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    Ragnarok
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Katoar View Post
    I am making a simple analogy from this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WpBFqpeegY&t=840s
    Terminal relativity is called soft enrage, so I am assuming P4SP2 is essentially the same as usually the game never requires healers to spam GCD heals in order to survive, outside of Ultimate.

    And yes, I have cleared it, we can chat in-game, we are in the same DC.
    That's a mistake on Mizzteq's part IMHO. For it to be a soft enrage it'd either need to continue on till the point where it just ran the healers OOM or ramped up in damage till the point where the incoming damage simply outpaced the healer's HPS. It does neither of these things, it's just a sequence of AoEs (That was admittedly rather rough during prog) followed by the actual hard enrage as a distinct AoE.

    Random fun side fact, Mizzteq actually used my FC's prog footage for her guides for a while.
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    Tani Shirai
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    Cactuar
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    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    That's a mistake on Mizzteq's part IMHO. For it to be a soft enrage it'd either need to continue on till the point where it just ran the healers OOM or ramped up in damage till the point where the incoming damage simply outpaced the healer's HPS. It does neither of these things, it's just a sequence of AoEs (That was admittedly rather rough during prog) followed by the actual hard enrage as a distinct AoE.
    Agreed, but... what would the proper nomenclature be, I wonder? Just a "salient raid-wide?" "A notable clear-timing threshold"? "An additional formerly butt-clenching event if you take longer than X seconds to clear"?
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    Wubrant Drakesbane
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    Balmung
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    Fisher Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    Agreed, but... what would the proper nomenclature be, I wonder? Just a "salient raid-wide?" "A notable clear-timing threshold"? "An additional formerly butt-clenching event if you take longer than X seconds to clear"?
    I like the last one personally..
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    Esther Harper
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    Zodiark
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    Agreed, but... what would the proper nomenclature be, I wonder? Just a "salient raid-wide?" "A notable clear-timing threshold"? "An additional formerly butt-clenching event if you take longer than X seconds to clear"?
    I'm personally in favour of adding "Butt-clench" somewhere in there but honestly... heal check. Simply a heal check, that's what Cycles, WL2, Terminal, Curtain Call etc. are as it's a whole phase with a fairly high but somewhat evenly spread healing requirement. The fights are all still strictly time-gated and if you take longer than that you've overstayed your welcome and die.

    Soft enrages simply aren't really a thing here. WoW had a lot of them, some ramping up the incoming damage until it was impossible to keep up, some gradually reducing the safe space on a platform until there was nowhere left to go, some having debuffs that you had to pass on and died if you didn't have someone to pass it to left etc. but it's all about hard enrages here with some major butt-clench mechanic before.
    The closest to soft enrage I can think of (that I experienced) is UwU when Ultimate Weapon lifts one person after another into the air, taking them out of the fight until finally all 8 players were taken out and it was a wipe.
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