"I don't want to think while I play, so no one should be allowed to."

[Sebazy]

P4S P2 Curtain Call is soft enrage and resorting to GCD heal spam is a last resort. Nothing significant changes aside from the fact that you switch to pressing your AoE HoT or Shield instead of nuke and weaving in the oGCDs heals when needed.

Curtain Call isn't a soft or any other form of enrage though? It's like saying E7S Tornado or A12S Fountains are some form enrage, they clearly aren't. It's just a mechanic that happens to dish out a lot of damage and falls where groups typically clear the fight. It doesn't ramp up, it doesn't eventually wipe the group, it's just another phase with the actual hard enrage coming as a distinct aoe a good amount of time after curtain call is resolved.

FFXIV has startlingly few legitimate soft enrages come to think of it. Even JKicks style AoEs towards the end of fights don't really count as they are always just a fixed sequence of AoEs before the real enrage comes. It's a healer check you can skip if your DPS is good enough for sure, but it's no enrage. I wouldn't even call ThordanEX's final couple of phases a soft enrage even though I don't think I ever saw a pug beat them if they got there

TitanHM's stomps are close but no cigar as I'm pretty sure they are capped at some number, ShivaEX and her damage up stacks is probably the closest but even she never simply does so much damage that it becomes unsurvivable, she simply does yet another hard enrage once the sequence has looped enough times.

As for suggesting that nothing really changes during the mechanic. That's selling things a bit short no? You've cleared it right?

When nuking, you mash the button too fast nothing changes, you mash it too slow your logs go down but little to nothing else changes in the majority of content.
When healing curtain call, you mash the button too fast you run oom before the clear, you mash too slow, people die, tethers pop and the raid explodes. Range is also a major concern.

Healing Curtain Call (or Act4 to a lesser extent) is most certainly not the same as smashing glare.

[Katoar]

Curtain Call isn't a soft or any other form of enrage though? It's like saying E7S Tornado or A12S Fountains are some form enrage, they clearly aren't. It's just a mechanic that happens to dish out a lot of damage and falls where groups typically clear the fight. It doesn't ramp up, it doesn't eventually wipe the group, it's just another phase with the actual hard enrage coming as a distinct aoe a good amount of time after curtain call is resolved.

FFXIV has startlingly few legitimate soft enrages come to think of it. Even JKicks style AoEs towards the end of fights don't really count as they are always just a fixed sequence of AoEs before the real enrage comes. It's a healer check you can skip if your DPS is good enough for sure, but it's no enrage. I wouldn't even call ThordanEX's final couple of phases a soft enrage even though I don't think I ever saw a pug beat them if they got there

TitanHM's stomps are close but no cigar as I'm pretty sure they are capped at some number, ShivaEX and her damage up stacks is probably the closest but even she never simply does so much damage that it becomes unsurvivable, she simply does yet another hard enrage once the sequence has looped enough times.

As for suggesting that nothing really changes during the mechanic. That's selling things a bit short no? You've cleared it right?

When nuking, you mash the button too fast nothing changes, you mash it too slow your logs go down but little to nothing else changes in the majority of content.
When healing curtain call, you mash the button too fast you run oom before the clear, you mash too slow, people die, tethers pop and the raid explodes. Range is also a major concern.

Healing Curtain Call (or Act4 to a lesser extent) is most certainly not the same as smashing glare.

I am making a simple analogy from this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WpBFqpeegY&t=840s
Terminal relativity is called soft enrage, so I am assuming P4SP2 is essentially the same as usually the game never requires healers to spam GCD heals in order to survive, outside of Ultimate.

And yes, I have cleared it, we can chat in-game, we are in the same DC.

[Sebazy]

I am making a simple analogy from this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WpBFqpeegY&t=840s
Terminal relativity is called soft enrage, so I am assuming P4SP2 is essentially the same as usually the game never requires healers to spam GCD heals in order to survive, outside of Ultimate.

And yes, I have cleared it, we can chat in-game, we are in the same DC.

That's a mistake on Mizzteq's part IMHO. For it to be a soft enrage it'd either need to continue on till the point where it just ran the healers OOM or ramped up in damage till the point where the incoming damage simply outpaced the healer's HPS. It does neither of these things, it's just a sequence of AoEs (That was admittedly rather rough during prog) followed by the actual hard enrage as a distinct AoE.

Random fun side fact, Mizzteq actually used my FC's prog footage for her guides for a while.

[Shurrikhan]

That's a mistake on Mizzteq's part IMHO. For it to be a soft enrage it'd either need to continue on till the point where it just ran the healers OOM or ramped up in damage till the point where the incoming damage simply outpaced the healer's HPS. It does neither of these things, it's just a sequence of AoEs (That was admittedly rather rough during prog) followed by the actual hard enrage as a distinct AoE.

Agreed, but... what would the proper nomenclature be, I wonder? Just a "salient raid-wide?" "A notable clear-timing threshold"? "An additional formerly butt-clenching event if you take longer than X seconds to clear"?

[Shougun]

Agreed, but... what would the proper nomenclature be, I wonder? Just a "salient raid-wide?" "A notable clear-timing threshold"? "An additional formerly butt-clenching event if you take longer than X seconds to clear"?

I like the last one personally..

[Rilifane]

Agreed, but... what would the proper nomenclature be, I wonder? Just a "salient raid-wide?" "A notable clear-timing threshold"? "An additional formerly butt-clenching event if you take longer than X seconds to clear"?

I'm personally in favour of adding "Butt-clench" somewhere in there but honestly... heal check. Simply a heal check, that's what Cycles, WL2, Terminal, Curtain Call etc. are as it's a whole phase with a fairly high but somewhat evenly spread healing requirement. The fights are all still strictly time-gated and if you take longer than that you've overstayed your welcome and die.

Soft enrages simply aren't really a thing here. WoW had a lot of them, some ramping up the incoming damage until it was impossible to keep up, some gradually reducing the safe space on a platform until there was nowhere left to go, some having debuffs that you had to pass on and died if you didn't have someone to pass it to left etc. but it's all about hard enrages here with some major butt-clench mechanic before.
The closest to soft enrage I can think of (that I experienced) is UwU when Ultimate Weapon lifts one person after another into the air, taking them out of the fight until finally all 8 players were taken out and it was a wipe.