"I don't want to think while I play, so no one should be allowed to."

[Rolder50]

wanting the healer to have a DPS rotation similar to a samurai's is NOT complexity, it's bloat for the sack of bloat. If you want more buttons to push, try weaving in more healing/buffing/debuffing on your Healer, and pepper your DPS when you can.

Bit of a strawman argument considering most healers are just asking for a couple extra dps buttons which is quite a few short of a samurai

Edit: Also the problem is there is basically nothing to heal, and buffs/debuffs are incredibly sparse, so that "try weaving in more healing/buffing/debuffing" literally does not exist.

[anhaato]

wanting the healer to have a DPS rotation similar to a samurai's is NOT complexity, it's bloat for the sack of bloat. If you want more buttons to push, try weaving in more healing/buffing/debuffing on your Healer, and pepper your DPS when you can.

Yeah if you want more complexity just play the job wrong!

[Jkap_Goat]

yeah ffxiv healers are boring gameplay, DPS is very boring on lower dungeons that I fall asleep.

that's why I had to stop playing FFXIV and moved over to FFXI

FFXI WHM is a very busy job, Lots of cure spells, Buffs, offensive spells like Dia, paralyzed, Silence ect

it keeps me busy also the DD jobs like Dancer is lot of fun to play

I don't know when or if I will continue to play FFXIV, jobs are so homogenized and just boring to play

[gotaname1]

You want to make healing a challenge? Solo heal savages. Should help with reclear speed as well. Sounds like a win-win to me.

[Kazelus]

You want to make healing a challenge? Solo heal savages. Should help with reclear speed as well. Sounds like a win-win to me.

It's fun because like it was already said, most savage have mechanics that need 2 healer to avoid a wipe instead of needing two healers to sustain the damage dealt to the party. If you want to solo heal P4S, you will have to bring a tank and not a DPS if you to passe those tower...
And people don't want healing to be a challenge, they want an actual gameplay to do with their 100% damage GCD uptime. (Because yeah, even in savage, you can do the whole fight using only your damage GCDs. Because OGCDs are OP.)

[DBriggs304]

There are plenty of other games that provide said complexity.

[Hezhi]

You want to make healing a challenge? Solo heal savages. Should help with reclear speed as well. Sounds like a win-win to me.

3/4 of curent savage fights have healer targeted mechanics that have high changes of wiping you due to RNG with no way to prevent it if you don't have 2 healers in the group. This isn't engaging for anyone and will NOT make your clears faster, the opposite in fact.
Things also can be fun and make you use your brain a little without being a challenge. I used to casually play SCH and enjoyed figuring out DoT uptime and managing fairy for example. That was gone with ShB.

There are plenty of other games that provide said complexity.

XIV used to provide the same complexity and still does depending on the job you play and the content you run. It never affected casual players or players not doing endgame content in the slightest and those who enjoy it would like to retain/regain said complexity.

[aveyond-dreams]

There are plenty of other games that provide said complexity.

All we want is for jobs that have fun abilities and not broken or annoying mechanics.

[Ivtrix]

There are plenty of other games that provide said complexity.

why do i have to play another game?

why cant this game have complexity to it?

[AlyaNimfa]

It’s the constant struggle between fun and complex. The balance is also subjective, which means no matter which way the devs jump, someone is going to be upset.

Other classes suffer as well, for example I love almost everything about ninja, except the weird combo poses you have to do which for me stops the action and in turn stops the fun. I’ve not seen anyone complain about it, and yeah it’s sort of complex I guess?

One man’s trash is another man’s gold.