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    Player Deveryn's Avatar
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    Deveryn Ev'liarsh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    Of course it's not as simple as talking about it, these are very complex systems, but while 800 glamour slots is interesting because it's essentially a huge equipment bank.. I'd rather have a glamour log (like WoW, GW2, etc). In some ways, yes we need more slots... but primarily FFXIV's solution is to throw the basic slot at the problem. I'd like something more than just a basic slot at this point. Especially when we get suggested painful suggestions like storing it across the four corners of the world (some exaggeration , but definitely inventory juggling and couriering), or on entirely different characters sometimes.. lol.

    I feel they could be making some more intelligent and focused systems that make life easier for both us and them, because narrow focused systems tend to have shortcut optimizations that can't be done free form (beyond the massive investment to have their memory function differently, of course).
    Just because they can add more to the glamour, it doesn't mean they can do all these other things. It doesn't mean they should do all these other things. 10 years in, I think it's safe to say a lot of this is pretty much locked in. It's pretty clear that the way the inventory system works, it can't allow for all these fancy extras that might work in other games. You can't craft with items outside your inventory. You can't dye with items outside your inventory. You can't glam NPCs outside your inventory, even in your squad room that has a dresser in it. That should say plenty.

    GW2 did this. WoW did that. Good for them. Those are different games though. I've seen stuff in other games I might like to see here, but I know it's not happening. I used to play EQ2. That was great for resource storage and they had something working early on and it eventually expanded to cover more items. It's in the last year that they added storage for furniture. But again, they had a better starting point for that.

    A quick scan of some of these more recent "qol" changes shows a lot of so-called problems that can easily be solved with some organization. Folks can spend their days dreaming and pleading for this and that or just see how a lot of this stuff isn't really necessary to hold onto. So much is so easy to access. They could be working on other things to improve the game and the UI, but no... some people want more room for clutter.

    I'm not trying to placate anyone. I'm trying to get people to think. Be realistic. What do you really need all that crafting stuff handy for? Is it really convenient to hold so much? It seems like more of a hassle as you still have to keep track of it. I know some hoarders and I've talked to them and they don't use much of anything. Maybe it gets listed on the market. I've been playing with just 2 retainers for the past 3 years. I had just 3 months with a third, when I was doing a few too many things at once. Other than that, I manage just fine.
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    GeminiReed's Avatar
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    Alys Isshu
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    Malboro
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    Summoner Lv 61
    Quote Originally Posted by Deveryn View Post
    I'm not trying to placate anyone.
    Sure you are and it's not a good look.

    I'm trying to get people to think. Be realistic.
    There's no reason in the world why currency tokens like the Moogle Tomestones or the plethora of "Memories" are inventory items. All of that should have gone into the currency tab. Crafting mats are a similar problem. Then they have the temerity to cry poverty and insist people rent additional retainers when we beg for more inventory slots. Thanks to the useless aetherial (pink) gear general inventory slots are unnecessarily inefficient because it needs to carry all the stat information.

    Square is firmly in the realm of design the problem sell the solution territory and we, the customers, need to hold them accountable for bad behavior.
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    Shougun's Avatar
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    Wubrant Drakesbane
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deveryn View Post
    A quick scan of some of these more recent "qol" changes shows a lot of so-called problems that can easily be solved with some organization. Folks can spend their days dreaming and pleading for this and that or just see how a lot of this stuff isn't really necessary to hold onto. So much is so easy to access. They could be working on other things to improve the game and the UI, but no... some people want more room for clutter.

    I'm not trying to placate anyone. I'm trying to get people to think. Be realistic.
    Maybe a response based on the fact I quoted you quoting someone else- which means in some essence you're needing to respond to more than just me, but to be sure you read- I did note that changing data storage is and I quote "massive investment". I have also in many other posts talked about the challenges other companies had to go through to do it.

    You can be realistic that it's hard, and still think it's worth it.

    On the point where you rolled your eyes, again might be a general thought you wanted to address everyone at once, but in my post I specifically mentioned smart inventory to which your thought of more clutter to manage.. is frankly not needed to be managed and specifically why I was asking for no more 'dodo' inventory slots. I want smart slots now. If I could pick 75 slots for anything that is another different bag system, like moogle saddle bags.. lol, OR I could pick "all tokens are stored in a smart inventory" you bet your bottom choco feather I'd pick the latter. Sure 75 might 'technically' be more, but the QoL (lack there of) having to juggle and organize and manage everything is worse for me than if it 'just works'.

    Don't need to manage my glamour log in say WoW, nor really that much my crafting bank in GW2. Hence smart inventory is the focus here. And I want to hoard, I just don't want to mange it, and yes I don't do this in real life because that's a bad strategy for an organized life, but this is a digital game where I can actually have both worlds (theoretically, obviously not so much in FFXIV, YET). I don't run around killing gods in real life either but it's sure fun in game, a hyperbolic example lol, but more realistic- I don't need FFXIV to be a life simulator on cleaning my closet. Just like in all FF games I usually buy out all the consumable item stock and hardly ever use them. Simply collecting them is fun to me (and if I can avoid spending it, I probably would).

    So I'm thinking you were responding in general to people, as to me it felt like I was read past a bit. Since the game is digital I can have the best of both worlds, and it has been done so it's not 'impossible', and I am also aware these systems are very complex and so I don't think snap of the finger "it's easy guyz".
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    Last edited by Shougun; 07-26-2022 at 11:03 PM.

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    XiRon's Avatar
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    Xianthi Rongalla
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    Lamia
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    please but for the love of christ start making every new headpiece fit hrothgar and viera.
    The hat in my icon is literally the only option, the others disappear in hrothgar (nonzlatan) hair, or else are noticably floating off the scalp.
    It cannot be that hard, and these races are not disappearing if the devs dont meet their kickstarter goal, you know your players want the gear they get to fit them please just do it.
    I was really hoping 6.1 woulda turned this around but boy golly was I wrong.
    Also also make every new hair you add from 6.2 on fit hrothgar. We know from Lyse that all new options will fit viera but I dont wanna wait til the heat death of the universe for hair to fit me and not neuter my ears.
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    Player Ardeth's Avatar
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    Guy Friedman
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    Halicarnassus
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    Bard Lv 100
    I want skills not on my bar to glow so when I come back after a prune or when they add new skills to lower levels I'm made aware that I am missing skills without having to cross-reference my hotbar to my ability list.
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    Keiho Fukiku
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    Warrior Lv 50
    Can we get an auto-stack feature yet? Click on retainer, select auto-stack, that way I don't have to figure out which one has dwarven cotton and which one has alchemical adhesive, etc etc.
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    Wanzzo's Avatar
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    Nadia Frostwind
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    Seraph
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    Quote Originally Posted by hydralus View Post
    Can we get an auto-stack feature yet? Click on retainer, select auto-stack, that way I don't have to figure out which one has dwarven cotton and which one has alchemical adhesive, etc etc.
    nice idea!

    When crafting, we could access the itens stored in our rentainers and chocobo bags and get them from there directly like if they are extensions to our regular inventory. In this way, we don't even need to bother to reach rentainers just to get the itens.
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    Tastydoorstop's Avatar
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    Maduin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanzzo View Post
    nice idea!

    When crafting, we could access the items stored in our retainers and chocobo bags and get them from there directly like if they are extensions to our regular inventory. In this way, we don't even need to bother to reach retainers just to get the items.
    nice idea.. I hope the dev team reads this form.. =)
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    Doc Seraph
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    Machinist Lv 90
    Bubble Gum Pop emote where it slaps your face like a big bubble would kupo <3 lol
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    Feronar Bloodfang
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    Gilgamesh
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    Viper Lv 100
    Guild Wars 2 style crafting materials bank.


    The Material Storage section is on the right side.

    The Material Storage in GW2 allows for the storage of all types of crafting materials in the game. There is a slot for each individual material, with materials you do not have being grayed out. As a result, you don't need to worry about all those materials taking up space in your bags. You can also craft using materials directly from the bank, you don't have to go there to withdraw them first. You are limited to 250 of each type of material, but that can be increased with an in-app purchase. In GW2 the Material Storage bank is account wide.

    In FF14 it could be reproduced with separate sections for each expansion's materials, that is, sections for A Realm Reborn, Heavensward, Stormblood, Shadowbringers, and Endwalker. I'm not sure FF14's infrastructure would allow for account-wide material storage, in which case, it would have to be per character.
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