What is wrong with cone aoe?

[Nihility]

Seems to me people complained about cone aoe's being inferior for years and years and years as though standing at one side of a mass of enemies and aiming inwards was somehow difficult.

Devs unfortunately listen and see the sustained complaint over such a long period and wonder "why would they want the worse aoe pattern that has half the range in exchange for hitting behind?" but eventually cave in anyways and now the complaining has turned the other way because complaining is apparently the only thing people on forums are capable of

[Simple_Barghest]

Seems to me people complained about cone aoe's being inferior for years and years and years as though standing at one side of a mass of enemies and aiming inwards was somehow difficult.

Devs unfortunately listen and see the sustained complaint over such a long period and wonder "why would they want the worse aoe pattern that has half the range in exchange for hitting behind?" but eventually cave in anyways and now the complaining has turned the other way because complaining is apparently the only thing people on forums are capable of

Same thing happened with AST cards and now they're all just Damage+ because people griped about only Balance being worthwhile. Now they complain about not having Card variety.
Or how when cross-Job abilities were a thing, complaining about some abilities being 'mandatory' for all classes. Enter: Role abilities. Now they complain about losing cross-job abilities.

[RitsukoSonoda]

Same thing happened with AST cards and now they're all just Damage+ because people griped about only Balance being worthwhile. Now they complain about not having Card variety.
Or how when cross-Job abilities were a thing, complaining about some abilities being 'mandatory' for all classes. Enter: Role abilities. Now they complain about losing cross-job abilities.

IMO, handling legitimate complaints like something actually being broken or unbalanced is good. However a large number of changes made due to complaints IMO should have just been either ignored or handled with the response or "Learn to play the game"

[Colt47]

Seems to me people complained about cone aoe's being inferior for years and years and years as though standing at one side of a mass of enemies and aiming inwards was somehow difficult.

Devs unfortunately listen and see the sustained complaint over such a long period and wonder "why would they want the worse aoe pattern that has half the range in exchange for hitting behind?" but eventually cave in anyways and now the complaining has turned the other way because complaining is apparently the only thing people on forums are capable of

You should see the samurai forums on Kaiten. People wanted fewer buttons due to controller issues and the devs looked for an easy skill to pluck off for samurai, so they picked Kaiten. Now samurai are complaining and want it back. I personally do not miss Kaiten at all.

[Hezhi]

You should see the samurai forums on Kaiten. People wanted fewer buttons due to controller issues and the devs looked for an easy skill to pluck off for samurai, so they picked Kaiten. Now samurai are complaining and want it back. I personally do not miss Kaiten at all.

No. None asked for this. There also were better ways to remove 1 button or more from SAM's action bars.

[Colt47]

No. None asked for this. There also were better ways to remove 1 button or more from SAM's action bars.

Well what would you have picked? Personally Shoha should have taken the axe before Kaiten, but instead they wanted more button bloat with adding shoha II.

The only melee I've liked at all right now has been reaper and they strait up stated that it got the lionshare of development time out of all the changes, so that kind of makes sense.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Well what would you have picked? Personally Shoha should have taken the axe before Kaiten, but instead they wanted more button bloat with adding shoha II.

The only melee I've liked at all right now has been reaper and they strait up stated that it got the lionshare of development time out of all the changes, so that kind of makes sense.

Not a SAM main myself.

Although if I were to look at their arsenals & their rotations, I'd think they would merge Shoha+Shoha II and/or Guren+Senei into single button. Since you can only use one of them at a time, they could've combined it and add damage fall off for balancing purpose.

But that's assuming their sole reason is to reduce button bloat. Apparently they also wanted to reduce performance gap, henceforth Kaiten becomes the more appealing option.

[Hezhi]

Well what would you have picked? Personally Shoha should have taken the axe before Kaiten, but instead they wanted more button bloat with adding shoha II.

The only melee I've liked at all right now has been reaper and they strait up stated that it got the lionshare of development time out of all the changes, so that kind of makes sense.

Yep, that would have made more sense. And/or merging Ikishoten with Ougi Namikiri. And/or Guren + Senei.
They already made the job much easier to get into with the Meikyo Shishui, Fuka/Fugetsu endwalker changes.
And by the way I wasn't pulling facts out of my arse when I said none was asking for this: according to a CN survey, SAM players were extremely satisfied with 6.0 SAM.

https://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=31458460&rand=154
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...pen/?context=3
>"Out of 143 Samurai mains, 81% rated it 10/10 in enjoyability, and none rated it lower than 7."

I am very annoyed at these changes, and so is every SAM main I know.