What is wrong with cone aoe?

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Well what would you have picked? Personally Shoha should have taken the axe before Kaiten, but instead they wanted more button bloat with adding shoha II.

The only melee I've liked at all right now has been reaper and they strait up stated that it got the lionshare of development time out of all the changes, so that kind of makes sense.

Not a SAM main myself.

Although if I were to look at their arsenals & their rotations, I'd think they would merge Shoha+Shoha II and/or Guren+Senei into single button. Since you can only use one of them at a time, they could've combined it and add damage fall off for balancing purpose.

But that's assuming their sole reason is to reduce button bloat. Apparently they also wanted to reduce performance gap, henceforth Kaiten becomes the more appealing option.

[Colt47]

Not a SAM main myself.

Although if I were to look at their arsenals & their rotations, I'd think they would merge Shoha+Shoha II and/or Guren+Senei into single button. Since you can only use one of them at a time, they could've combined it and add damage fall off for balancing purpose.

But that's assuming their sole reason is to reduce button bloat. Apparently they also wanted to reduce performance gap, henceforth Kaiten becomes the more appealing option.

It does feel like they want to cut down the skill ceiling on jobs. I just think that the design of the job system in FFXIV was never modularly built to begin with and that means adjusting what that floor and ceiling should be is rather painful. Basically, the system is designed to add skills individually as someone levels up rather than a cohesive block, so people don't get a cohesive but simple set of abilities at each milestone with time to practice. Recently went back to help people through PoTD floors 1-50 and felt the pains of having to get partially unlocked skill chains going all the way up to floor 40.

[Shurrikhan]

assuming there are no mobs behind you. Which usually happens when you're still setting up.

No, no it really doesn't.

You start with all mobs to one side of you. When you run through them, since you lead mobs to the final gather, they remain to one side of you. The only way for them to end up truly behind you is to intentionally run into the center of the pack.

Yes, they can crowd toward your flanks, but your cone need only intersect any part of their hit-rings, which are far larger than the mob's models themselves. So long as you don't aim the cone off to the side, you'd still hit all of them while staying in place, just as you would with a circle.

The only difference is that the cone offers 60% more reach, which is pretty damn handy during the gather itself.

[Colt47]

No, no it really doesn't.

You start with all mobs to one side of you. When you run through them, since you lead mobs to the final gather, they remain to one side of you. The only way for them to end up truly behind you is to intentionally run into the center of the pack.

Yes, they can crowd toward your flanks, but your cone need only intersect any part of their hit-rings, which are far larger than the mob's models themselves. So long as you don't aim the cone off to the side, you'd still hit all of them while staying in place, just as you would with a circle.

The only difference is that the cone offers 60% more reach, which is pretty damn handy during the gather itself.

This is why I regarded the overpower change as a nerf and not really just a different way of doing things. I so dislike that Xeno video...

[Hezhi]

Well what would you have picked? Personally Shoha should have taken the axe before Kaiten, but instead they wanted more button bloat with adding shoha II.

The only melee I've liked at all right now has been reaper and they strait up stated that it got the lionshare of development time out of all the changes, so that kind of makes sense.

Yep, that would have made more sense. And/or merging Ikishoten with Ougi Namikiri. And/or Guren + Senei.
They already made the job much easier to get into with the Meikyo Shishui, Fuka/Fugetsu endwalker changes.
And by the way I wasn't pulling facts out of my arse when I said none was asking for this: according to a CN survey, SAM players were extremely satisfied with 6.0 SAM.

https://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=31458460&rand=154
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...pen/?context=3
>"Out of 143 Samurai mains, 81% rated it 10/10 in enjoyability, and none rated it lower than 7."

I am very annoyed at these changes, and so is every SAM main I know.