When is PLD Getting Fixed So It Can Be a VIABLE Tank?

[Firon]

PLD is fine now still needs to take less dmg tho, from none blocked attacks. War has an edge in dps and pld needs that edge in Taking less dmg w/o skills. Maybe i'm just use to my XI pld but I hate the fact that an pld can take the same dmg as other classes basically.

[Ashiee]

PLD is fine now still needs to take less dmg tho, from none blocked attacks. War has an edge in dps and pld needs that edge in Taking less dmg w/o skills. Maybe i'm just use to my XI pld but I hate the fact that an pld can take the same dmg as other classes basically.

Honestly, I think SE has their tanks all messed up at the moment. When I think of PLD I think of a lowish DPS that has a lot of defense, but kills slower, while warrior would be the one with less defense but can dish out the damage. I myself am annoyed about the SC nerf on high defense mobs. Even though SC was broken before, now on fights like Chim I think I could probably do equal to/more dmg on PLD then I could on WAR, and war is supposedly designed to be able to keep hate with their damage output.

[Aceofspades]

Realy? LMAO!

No, no, I agree, WAR dose awsome damage (when they are not tanking and can actually proc combos.... Hmm guess you could add vit, def , hp gear , but other then vit nothing defense orented helps WAR do dammage. Of course you could ballance WAR's def and dd stats in an attempt to make it work as a sub par dd / half decent tank, but why do that when you can go with an all out tank and replace that second healer, your war will absolutely need, with an all out DD... but what am I saying, that dosent make sense dose it...

[Chardrizard]

While he is on my side on defending PLD, it does make me wonder why have he not clear either CC or AV yet. lol

[Aceofspades]

if you were in sarg i would be more then happy to let you look, havent cleared either but tanked both mistress and chimera, not all fail runs can be blaimed on the tank, our LS is just now starting to learn the dungeon strats we are not as active as other players soo we dont have time to spam events till we perfect them. but we pick up fast enough for a bunch of casual players.

[Dzian]

big difference between regularly and possibly of which a huge contributing factor is how many people in the group do i know or trust.. personally solo healed ifrit mog batraal... still quite new to av cc and stuff but i run things with friends more than simply hardcore grind the crap out of everything.

buttttt when you flick through the hundreds (and there probably are hundreds by now) of topics about pld-war it's seemingly very common for the more hardcore groups to run 1whm.

[Eagleheart]

No one ever has an answer prepared when the "Why does Paladin enable the replacement of a White Mage in the party roster on a run?" question is trotted out. I say this without any rancor, the subject comes up often, and it always ends in the same way.

The meme survives by the question not being answered. Garuda is established. <.< No one ever has an answer for any other event. Once I've seen the a reply along the lines of "Well, take a Paladin and a Thaumaturge instead of a Black Mage, and you can fit in an extra bard and you've replaced the White Mage", but that is not actually Paladin enabling the switch.

The cardinal rule to remember here is that you do not bring a second White Mage for the tank, be it Warrior or Paladin.

You bring a second White Mage for the party.

[Skies]

No one ever has an answer prepared when the "Why does Paladin enable the replacement of a White Mage in the party roster on a run?" question is trotted out. I say this without any rancor, the subject comes up often, and it always ends in the same way.

The meme survives by the question not being answered. Garuda is established. <.< No one ever has an answer for any other event. Once I've seen the a reply along the lines of "Well, take a Paladin and a Thaumaturge instead of a Black Mage, and you can fit in an extra bard and you've replaced the White Mage", but that is not actually Paladin enabling the switch.

The cardinal rule to remember here is that you do not bring a second White Mage for the tank, be it Warrior or Paladin.

You bring a second White Mage for the party.

Theoretically, and I cannot speak from experience here, but according to what i've seen answered and what would be most logical.
Is that you don't replace the party's white mage. You replace the Tank's white mage.

Although on a melee heavy environ, the Paladin would have sufficient healing capacity to off-heal and thus take up party healing duty from the second white mage, because they wouldn't be getting damage too often to begin with.

[Eagleheart]

Theoretically, and I cannot speak from experience here, but according to what i've seen answered and what would be most logical.
Is that you don't replace the party's white mage. You replace the Tank's white mage.

Although on a melee heavy environ, the Paladin would have sufficient healing capacity to off-heal and thus take up party healing duty from the second white mage, because they wouldn't be getting damage too often to begin with.

Paladin survivability is not sufficient to be independent of a dedicated healer.

Paladin MP is insufficient to maintain the party's HP pool for any appreciable length of time, and by appreciable, I mean after the first minute and a half, considering an ether and some Ballad in the mix.

The Paladin in question would also be hit by whatever AOEs are damaging the melee, necessitating healing the Paladin themselves, as well as the melee.

Paladin does not have three thousand MP, or the capacity to rest MP during safe periods in an extended engagement. Paladin is supposed to be redline hate, so they cannot rest for MP, and if the Paladin is not redline hate, then they are a waste of a party slot, better served by a Bard (healing, DDing, actual support capability) or a straight-up DD (superior damage output), or, amusingly, a second White Mage, who will deal superior damage with superior MP restoration capacity, and vastly superior healing capacity.

That line of reasoning is unworkable. ._.

[Zantetsuken]

Paladin survivability is not sufficient to be independent of a dedicated healer.

Paladin MP is insufficient to maintain the party's HP pool for any appreciable length of time, and by appreciable, I mean after the first minute and a half, considering an ether and some Ballad in the mix.

The Paladin in question would also be hit by whatever AOEs are damaging the melee, necessitating healing the Paladin themselves, as well as the melee.

Paladin does not have three thousand MP, or the capacity to rest MP during safe periods in an extended engagement. Paladin is supposed to be redline hate, so they cannot rest for MP, and if the Paladin is not redline hate, then they are a waste of a party slot, better served by a Bard (healing, DDing, actual support capability) or a straight-up DD (superior damage output), or, amusingly, a second White Mage, who will deal superior damage with superior MP restoration capacity, and vastly superior healing capacity.

That line of reasoning is unworkable. ._.

You don't sub out your 2nd WHM for just anything.. you need to sub it for a BRD.

BRD is solid DD, it can refresh PLD MP, and it can do spot healing on the PLD if needed.

The true comparison is:

WAR+(2nd)WHM
-vs-
PLD+BRD

If designed properly, PLD+BRD should survive better, do more damage, and hold hate better than WAR+WHM vs Single IT++ boss mobs (Garuda, Ifrit, Coin Counter, Chimera, etc..)

We already know that WAR+WHM owns battles vs groups of VT mobs - and they should. It's their role.