When is PLD Getting Fixed So It Can Be a VIABLE Tank?

[Darkillumina]

This whole thing is getting ridiculous. I'm really starting to wonder what the age/mentality of most PLDS are. You guys are one step from going full retard.

It seems like most of you will only be happy when PLD takes 0 damage from every attack and can solo Chimera/Miser.

After this last patch PLD can do fine. If you can't handle it you're gimp and should quit the game. If you find yourselves having trouble, level warrior to 50. It should take you about 2 days. I have both and use both. The best part is most of the gear is cross-compatible.

Stop with the goddamn bellyaching you idiots. I can see why most people who played PLD in WoW and FFXI had such a bad name.

TLDR: Grow up, stop complaining and learn to play properly. Communicate with your teammates and gear yourself accordingly. Don't be gimp.

[Duelle]

The problem isn't PLD itself, it is properly balancing it with WAR so both are wanted in dungeons. Not one more than the other. I just hope in 2.0, the new server structure caters more to skilled/geared players than stacking the safe jobs. Make it so you can't just stack BLM's. Make it so a BLM setup is doable, but harder than a normal setup, that kind of thing.

This won't happen unless there's changes in how the classes and jobs currently play. Other games have versatility in terms of buffs so that even though damage and performance are similar, you still are encouraged to bring varied comps because of what buffs and debuffs each class brings. If you have three caster DPS classes and they all do near equivalent damage, you're encouraged to bring one of each if one gives a +critical hit rating aura, the other increases all spell damage taken by the boss and the other one has a cooldown that notably increases the effectiveness of the whole group during burn phases. That's one way of encouraging people to bring more than one class.

Tanks are different because the priority is really survivability and their ability to hold the mob's attention. DPS only rears its head when you have notable damage discrepancies between one and the other...like discrepancies created by abilities assigned and base weapon damage.

[Daniel_Fury]

The problem isn't how we can fix Paladin. Because on a technical scale, the job is perfectly fine and can tank just fine.

Here is the problem however. Why would you pick a PLD when a WAR can do double the amount for half the effort? The way content is right now, WAR is the best, it is hard to argue against. PLD may be viable, but it isn't better than WAR right now in dungeons.

The problem isn't PLD itself, it is properly balancing it with WAR so both are wanted in dungeons. Not one more than the other. I just hope in 2.0, the new server structure caters more to skilled/geared players than stacking the safe jobs. Make it so you can't just stack BLM's. Make it so a BLM setup is doable, but harder than a normal setup, that kind of thing.

Since nerf, instead of having a nerfed cyclone with antagonize "trying" to hold hate on multiple mobs against flaring blms, you can just cover the blms instead.

I mean the cyclone damage isn't even needed because the flares kill anyway. So instead of adding to a lost cause and having your BLMs get their ass whipped and have copious heals drained on them, have a PLD use cover on the BLM with most hate until the mobs are dead.

This is not hard to do and more practical than a WAR adding unneccessary damage.

[Velhart]

Gonna have to stop you right here. How in Altana's name do you get the idea that WAR does double the damage? From what I've heard, some people's PLDs even outdamage WARs on Chimera....

Before I go on, I don't necessarily disagree with you.

I said double the amount in party situations, not damage. That means not only can they tank, they are a viable DPS also. On Chimera, I would guess the PLD was able to get more damage was because 2/3 of their powerful combos can hit him in the front. WAR however have to move to the sides and behind to perform more combos. If the WAR wanted to, he could easily out damage the PLD, but would risk the safety of the party. You can say PLD is in a more convenient position on Chimera than a WAR, but you can't say PLD is the better DPS.

Now here is the problem, because of speed runs in particular. Why would you pick PLD for anything when WAR can do just as good as they can, and have DPS on their side also? Now if SE made non-timed fights which required strategy and a tank that can last in the long run, then yes I would look upon PLD.

So can we all agree that speed run content damages not only the quality of the dungeons, but also job balance?

[Daniel_Fury]

You can say PLD is in a more convenient position on Chimera than a WAR, but you can't say PLD is the better DPS

Literally, 79 damage crit with cyclone on Chimera. 3xx Damage with Godsbane.

PLD: Riot Blade 3xx damage, spirits within: 4xx damage, Goring Blade: 3xx

I dunno, when i did this, it looked like Paladin had the better dps.

Godsbane is not an unsafe combo to use at all, so that doesn't count and both jobs have one behind combo each.

[Daniel_Fury]

It seems like most of you will only be happy when PLD takes 0 damage from every attack and can solo Chimera/Miser..

I solo'd half of Coin Counter already if that counts That's my way of saying PLD is fine!

[Chardrizard]

My fullgeared DPS WAR does 30-40% (on Misser/Coin respectively) more than my fully tank gear PLD. No, my WAR wasn't holding back because of position, i literally spam everything and eat DPS food. PLD is definitely a winner in Chimera however.

I believe this patch has made both jobs acceptable, both are in about the same level, not one is better than another, both has pro and cons, there is no big difference when it times to clearing dungeons speed.

Although, i really want to see what a fully DPS geared PLD can do. Time to work on triple MND headgear, maybe i will get really close to my WAR's DPS.

[YuriSan]

LOL!!

It's just hopeless.

I wish i also had my fraps still......................

Only way for peeps to just stfu already about WAR tanking.

Trying to convince a linkshell's "main" tank who keeps hearing how awesome his tanking is
by his (tank ignorant) friends that his tanking aint so good is like
trying to bring down the Hulk with your bare fists.

Guys please keep posting ur tanking roation, it's the only way to actually get to the root of the problem if you find one while tanking on PLD...

[Daniel_Fury]

My fullgeared DPS WAR does 30-40% (on Misser/Coin respectively) more than my fully tank gear PLD. No, my WAR wasn't holding back because of position, i literally spam everything and eat DPS food. PLD is definitely a winner in Chimera however.

I believe this patch has made both jobs acceptable, both are in about the same level, not one is better than another, both has pro and cons, there is no big difference when it times to clearing dungeons speed.

Although, i really want to see what a fully DPS geared PLD can do. Time to work on triple MND headgear, maybe i will get really close to my WAR's DPS.

I wonder if this principal works on other "tank" bosses like Ifrit aswell?

Also, I been looking into the whole dps thing too. Maybe 350 STR 310 MND?

[Chardrizard]

I wonder if this principal works on other "tank" bosses like Ifrit aswell?

Also, I been looking into the whole dps thing too. Maybe 350 STR 310 MND?

What principal? If you mean DPS wise, PLD would be better or around same DPS wise for Ifrit because he have around the same defense as Chimera.

Yes it is 350STR 310MND for Ifrit's Blade, nobody has established the cap for Garuda's Gaze however. But, it is deifnitely higher.