Housing? you've had plenty of time

[NanaWiloh]

As a FC lead if leadership is saying no to garden use, thats to avoid fighting over the garden. Saying no to FC airship use is pretty straight forward most of the mats airahips bring back are workshop related. So the leaderahip saying no is likely to avoid members milking the ship for profit.

[sagacious]

As a FC lead if leadership is saying no to garden use, thats to avoid fighting over the garden. Saying no to FC airship use is pretty straight forward most of the mats airahips bring back are workshop related. So the leaderahip saying no is likely to avoid members milking the ship for profit.

I agree, that's why I started my own FC. Don't say no to me you ain't paying my sub might as well start my own and milk the ship for profits to buy a house.

[pikalovr]

As a FC lead if leadership is saying no to garden use, thats to avoid fighting over the garden. Saying no to FC airship use is pretty straight forward most of the mats airahips bring back are workshop related. So the leaderahip saying no is likely to avoid members milking the ship for profit.

or you know actually say that instead of just no? or implement a payment system to recouperate the costs? or even better make the system better? communication seems to be a foreign concept to people nowadays. just like the fact systems can be built and improved upon

[ameliaw]

I don't see any problem with solo FCs as they offer a lot of features that you can't use when you're not the leader. I don't think SE themselves care a lot about this, otherwise they wouldn't let other characters in the same account count for it. I do not know why this community hates it so badly, honestly.
I made the same suggestion you did for some friends, but nobody should be forced to quit their FCs either.

[Gemina]

Whenever someone says, "We need instanced housing." I tend to dismiss it because it doesn't actually solve housing. However, if someone were to point me to this thread, and to pay attention to Segacious' comments; it can shed some light on why some people behave the way that they do. It can be surmised that she created a shell FC due in part to being a member of a toxic FC that would not share its privileges. I left my previous FC for very similar reasons, but it was never my intention to start up an FC of my own. That happened when a few other members decided to join me in my exile.

It makes me wonder how many shell FCs are expansions of current FCs, or the exact opposite of that. I also question how important FC house privileges are to players when so many small plots remained with 0 bids. Ultimately, I don't object to instanced housing, but it's a little more difficult for me to get on board with it when I see so many plots remaining with zero bids after the entry period is over. I also don't see it as a means to fix the current housing issues. It would just be content on top of current housing, and you most definitely would not get access to FC housing privileges.

[LisSquid]

Whenever someone says, "We need instanced housing." I tend to dismiss it because it doesn't actually solve housing.

ESO and Wildstar never, ever had these issues because they have instanced housing. Everyone gets a house. Everyone can engage with that content as they please. It's really head-in-the-sand to think that the Ward system isn't just a bad, inherently hostile system.

It makes me wonder how many shell FCs are expansions of current FCs, or the exact opposite of that.

People want to be in an FC with their friends, and to give that up to create a shell FC for a house is ludicrous. Shell FCs are used for the workshop and the garden - curiously things only available to FC plots - to play the MB with those rare resources that only come from those. There are also many that are owned by alts of an FC for just landholding. Hyperion had an entire ward owned by one person at one point.

They also changed the rules for FC plot purchasing. You need 4 members now, so of course you don't see those plots being purchased. Not to mention the majority of people want to be in big, active FCs rather than play entirely alone.

[pikalovr]

ESO and Wildstar never, ever had these issues because they have instanced housing. Everyone gets a house. Everyone can engage with that content as they please. It's really head-in-the-sand to think that the Ward system isn't just a bad, inherently hostile system.


People want to be in an FC with their friends, and to give that up to create a shell FC for a house is ludicrous. Shell FCs are used for the workshop and the garden - curiously things only available to FC plots - to play the MB with those rare resources that only come from those. There are also many that are owned by alts of an FC for just landholding. Hyperion had an entire ward owned by one person at one point.

They also changed the rules for FC plot purchasing. You need 4 members now, so of course you don't see those plots being purchased. Not to mention the majority of people want to be in big, active FCs rather than play entirely alone.

so everyone should follow the same housing formula instead of trying different things? just cause they messed up and added personal housing doesn't make this a failed system. if it remained as a FC only system i guarantee you nobody would be throwing this much of a fit over housing. they'd at most ask for changes to apartments/FC rooms which is far more resonable.

also if you and your friends are already a FC you wouldn't make a shell Fc anyways to get a house cause surpise. you prolly have a house anyways or are working towards a house. and if you're in a bad FC or a dead/dying FC no reason to remain in it just cause you can have a house either. see how this works both ways?

also you have instanced housing in the form of apartments/FC rooms (seems like everyone just magically forgets about these) like i said just make them slightly larger maybe just smaller than a small houses inside and a portal to your island sanctuary and bam, you have an outdoor area to decorate you can still garden for your chocobos or whatever you're doing it for and you still have an indoor area to decorate, while promoting joining and keeping FC healthy for current and potential new systems.

[rance-sama]

ESO and Wildstar never, ever had these issues because they have instanced housing. Everyone gets a house. Everyone can engage with that content as they please.

Let's be honest, nobody cares about ESO and Wildstar.

[SillyCrow]

The FC workshop should just be moved to the Grand Company. You could access it via the GC Squadron door.

[Shuuli]

I am sorry but my FC's house is not MY house, It is my FC's house. Decisions about the FC house should be done with the FC... cause im not a selfish prick.

My personal FC has very few active players and every time I want to change something I ask.

Or are you implying to cheat the system make a "fake" FC and kick people later? o.o