Frontlines is an Unbearable Experience Now

[Petite]

Summoner premades nuking entire teams

It’s too easy to coordinate LBs because they generate passively. They should make people sweat to gain it. Their uneven build-up would make LB coordination much slower because the first player with LB would have to wait on each of their accomplices.

So, in Frontlines, scrap passive LB generation and include a multitude of LB gain criterias. These could also encourage people to actually play the objectives more.

Quickly thought-out and non-balanced examples :
• Gain 1/12th of a bar for every KO
• Gain 1/24th of a bar for every assist
• Find LB tokens that give 1/4th. Have them spawn randomly throughout the map
• Gain 1/4th of a bar for capturing an outpost in Carteneau
• Gain half of a bar for capturing a node in Seal Rock and Onsal
• And more. You get the idea

[Garten]

Literally 1/4 ppl are sum, and 1/4 is whm.. so fkng tired

i mean.. maybe this is sign that something is off

[Garten]

I mean i hate post images but just from last match... they didnt even fit on a single screen:





They just come, unload ALL their f*kng gapclosers?!? and LBS and then just get away and rinse and repeat... with their fkng stuns and binds that RESILIENCE DO NOT STOP APPARENTLY (server issuses ftw, i mean i dont give a sh*t anymore just fix it yesterday or change something so this is a NON ISSUE anymore)

edit 3:i mean just change purify to a DAMN FETTER WARD AND CALL IT A DAY

[Garten]

Just done another one where there was 15 summoners..

[Gserpent]

You should probably learn how to play against SMN and WHM then, huh?

[Garten]

You should probably learn how to play against SMN and WHM then, huh?

Suggestions? since it seems you dont have problems with them.. (i am usually mch)

Or are you one those that reply to those screaming against plds in Onsal Hakkar to just get good? Like.. how do you even get good against 2/3 invulnerable ppl? Like in practice... not some obnoxious teoretical strategy where all your 24 team magically coordinates perfectly in harmony.


edit: I mean serioysly.. you just have to trust me... i have around 2500 matches in frontlines with around 36% win rate.. i am not stupid, not a virgin to this mode.. it is just that those jobs feels so.. dunno.. CHEAP?!? i dont even know how to describe exactly.. i just hate them.. just go after them, seriously.. i dont even almost never die in frontline (it's a long story.. let's just say that it is for me a game within the game to not die..)i will just go and kill them. every one of them that i can.. just imagine:

5 white mages or sum, coming from different angles.. your team is a bit crowded, not much but enough to get almost them... you cant evade that.. i mean ppl are trying to defend or get a f*king node or objective... they all shoot their laser beam and everyone get stunned and dmged, you pop purify but doesn't register before the interval between 2 shots... you can tell that that move is not thought for 24*3 mode, it is OBVIOUS. if it were, then it would be underwhelming in 5vs5, no? it is just logic.. an aoe move, balanced for 5vs5 could never function in a balanced way in a 24vs48 mode..
if you say otherwise i am sorry but i can't trust wathever you say..

[Divinemights]

Suggestions? since it seems you dont have problems with them.. (i am usually mch)

Or are you one those that reply to those screaming against plds in Onsal Hakkar to just get good? Like.. how do you even get good against 2/3 invulnerable ppl? Like in practice... not some obnoxious teoretical strategy where all your 24 team magically coordinates perfectly in harmony.


edit: I mean serioysly.. you just have to trust me... i have around 2500 matches in frontlines with around 36% win rate.. i am not stupid, not a virgin to this mode.. it is just that those jobs feels so.. dunno.. CHEAP?!? i dont even know how to describe exactly.. i just hate them.. just go after them, seriously.. i dont even almost never die in frontline (it's a long story.. let's just say that it is for me a game within the game to not die..)i will just go and kill them. every one of them that i can.. just imagine:

5 white mages or sum, coming from different angles.. your team is a bit crowded, not much but enough to get almost them... you cant evade that.. i mean ppl are trying to defend or get a f*king node or objective... they all shoot their laser beam and everyone get stunned and dmged, you pop purify but doesn't register before the interval between 2 shots... you can tell that that move is not thought for 24*3 mode, it is OBVIOUS. if it were, then it would be underwhelming in 5vs5, no? it is just logic.. an aoe move, balanced for 5vs5 could never function in a balanced way in a 24vs48 mode..
if you say otherwise i am sorry but i can't trust wathever you say..

Easy, we are in 2022 and both xbox game bar or GeForce experience offering video recording
Record it and post it and let see how bad is it.
Note, I am expecting someone is doing kill call out tho

[Gserpent]

I dunno, dude. 2500 games but you're still making rookie mistakes? Maybe you can submit an actual game so we can critique your play and point out where you made a mistake?

I don't really find WHM or SMN to be an issue. I can't think of any class that I would say is an actual problem to deal with in FL right now. The biggest danger is people queuing together and abusing LB synching (typically something like SCH+MCH+MCH just deleting people from halfway across the map, etc) but... well, if they can do it, so can you.

[Garten]

I dunno, dude. 2500 games but you're still making rookie mistakes?

I baited you here. Where the hell did i say that i am making mistakes? didn't i already explained that i usually dont even ever die? I tought i was clear but maybe i was not so i'll try explain again better: those jobs are not GODS, but they OBVIOUSLY are not balanced for 24vs48 mode as already said, and i find cheap how people take advange of it and i would prefer if SE could look into it and make Frontline a "better" experience (both for rookies and for experts). (also maybe changing how purify works or making you get a temp immunity to a status when you get hit by it?)

let's say that i am an idiot and i can't play, that i have fat fingers; or let's say i am a pvp god and i am one of the best of the best in ff14. Either way i think i can express my OBSERVATIONS that some jobs are not balanced. You disagree? well you're free to do it: but saying: "oh man, get good, summoners (or whm) dies like flyes what are you even talking about?"
this is not even the argument made here.. who ever told that they are not killable? the problems is the abusable (is it even a word) offensive kit that was tought for a 5vs5 enviroment..


..waiting for next personal attack..
edit: oh i forgot a dismissal DUDE, here too... wathever

[Knot_D]

Mostly here are just Skill Issue tbh