Frontlines is an Unbearable Experience Now

[Asuka-Hykiri]

Yes since the changes i havend done much FL anymore... its just no fun... and we need to swtich to 2 teams per match, if its 1:1:1 the last team will just give up to loose faster and hope is lost - sure, sometimes theres a comeback but overall... you just cant balance that.

Any of the maps would work with 2 groups as well, take the CC groups and be done.

I'm all for 24v24, would make the matches go longer in to the night, would increase win ratios too. Would also destroy the whole North v South in Seal Rock whilst west just claimes everything. Unfortunatly it won't happen as they'd need to remake the maps from the ground up

[YukikoKurosawa]

I just game out a Frontline with you in there and I don't want to shame you of what just happened on a public forum.
All I am going to say is you have a lot to learn, and your ability to make any creditable criticism is highly in doubt.
Don't start to argue with veterans here, just do more research and learn first

If you won't point it out than why bring it up? You probably saw me die to a bahamut spam a long half my team. Been the regular experience for me lately.

Quite frankly all I've ever seen you do is damage control every last thing wrong with PvP. According to you everything is perfectly fine, git gud, etc. I don't care that you and your discord friends make premades, play the meta, and nuke people all day and you so you think PvP is fine because you have an experience that is not the average for solo que players. I play every single job, I know what I'm talking about. Summoner is broken. Paladin is broken. I have personally wiped out entire teams singlehandedly with bahamut. It is utterly broken. I have countless times witnessed paladins using cover to steal nodes (both on the enemy and my own team) when it otherwise would not have been possible.

If you want to defend the broken state of PvP because you most likely are one of the ones who abuses the broken aspects of it, by all means. But when PvP innevitably dies don't be asking where did everyone go. Why won't Frontlines pop anymore. The fact that frontlines only survives to this day because of the roulette and dies as soon as most people have done it that day is indication enough something is wrong with the game mode.

Nobody really cares that you think it's all fine and dandy. Have fun in the future when it's just you and your discord friends queing and you're waiting 30+ minutes for nothing to pop, and are forced to use a discord community to host events only at certain times of the week to even be able to do it, much like what happened to Rival Wings. You can defend it all day and night if the community just largely gives up on it in the end that's all that matters, not your personal opinion. The house is burning around you and you just sit there saying "this is fine" repeatedly.

[Divinemights]

If you won't point it out than why bring it up? You probably saw me die to a bahamut spam a long half my team. Been the regular experience for me lately.

Quite frankly all I've ever seen you do is damage control every last thing wrong with PvP. According to you everything is perfectly fine, git gud, etc. I don't care that you and your discord friends make premades, play the meta, and nuke people all day and you so you think PvP is fine because you have an experience that is not the average for solo que players. I play every single job, I know what I'm talking about. Summoner is broken. Paladin is broken. I have personally wiped out entire teams singlehandedly with bahamut. It is utterly broken. I have countless times witnessed paladins using cover to steal nodes (both on the enemy and my own team) when it otherwise would not have been possible.

If you want to defend the broken state of PvP because you most likely are one of the ones who abuses the broken aspects of it, by all means. But when PvP innevitably dies don't be asking where did everyone go. Why won't Frontlines pop anymore. The fact that frontlines only survives to this day because of the roulette and dies as soon as most people have done it that day is indication enough something is wrong with the game mode.

Nobody really cares that you think it's all fine and dandy. Have fun in the future when it's just you and your discord friends queing and you're waiting 30+ minutes for nothing to pop, and are forced to use a discord community to host events only at certain times of the week to even be able to do it, much like what happened to Rival Wings. You can defend it all day and night if the community just largely gives up on it in the end that's all that matters, not your personal opinion. The house is burning around you and you just sit there saying "this is fine" repeatedly.

I am mostly solo since patch 2.3 and I don't use discord to PvP.
You claim you play every job but that only tells me you are master at none.
At least today you learned Summoner has another ability called Summon Phenoix
You are not the first one doom says about Frontline and I will not be last one and pretty much this is repetitive ranting comes up right after every major PvP change since 2.4.

[Gserpent]

If you won't point it out than why bring it up? You probably saw me die to a bahamut spam a long half my team. Been the regular experience for me lately.

Quite frankly all I've ever seen you do is damage control every last thing wrong with PvP. According to you everything is perfectly fine, git gud, etc. I don't care that you and your discord friends make premades, play the meta, and nuke people all day and you so you think PvP is fine because you have an experience that is not the average for solo que players. I play every single job, I know what I'm talking about. Summoner is broken. Paladin is broken. I have personally wiped out entire teams singlehandedly with bahamut. It is utterly broken. I have countless times witnessed paladins using cover to steal nodes (both on the enemy and my own team) when it otherwise would not have been possible.

If you want to defend the broken state of PvP because you most likely are one of the ones who abuses the broken aspects of it, by all means. But when PvP innevitably dies don't be asking where did everyone go. Why won't Frontlines pop anymore. The fact that frontlines only survives to this day because of the roulette and dies as soon as most people have done it that day is indication enough something is wrong with the game mode.

Nobody really cares that you think it's all fine and dandy. Have fun in the future when it's just you and your discord friends queing and you're waiting 30+ minutes for nothing to pop, and are forced to use a discord community to host events only at certain times of the week to even be able to do it, much like what happened to Rival Wings. You can defend it all day and night if the community just largely gives up on it in the end that's all that matters, not your personal opinion. The house is burning around you and you just sit there saying "this is fine" repeatedly.

Maybe your DC sucks, but FL is pretty much active for 20+ hrs a day on Crystal. The only time you're likely to see the never-pop 30+ min wait is early morning, like 4-10am or so. It starts popping again as soon as daily reset hits and doesn't stop popping until everyone's gone to bed the following early AM.

There's plenty of people playing, and I see lots of the same faces and glams, even on Secure day, the map everyone hates. People aren't playing just the one game. I think you need to take some time for self-reflection and realize that maybe the way you see things, isn't the way everyone sees them.

[Divinemights]

Maybe your DC sucks, but FL is pretty much active for 20+ hrs a day on Crystal. The only time you're likely to see the never-pop 30+ min wait is early morning, like 4-10am or so. It starts popping again as soon as daily reset hits and doesn't stop popping until everyone's gone to bed the following early AM.

There's plenty of people playing, and I see lots of the same faces and glams, even on Secure day, the map everyone hates. People aren't playing just the one game. I think you need to take some time for self-reflection and realize that maybe the way you see things, isn't the way everyone sees them.

Nah, Primal is a busy Frontline DC.
Frontline que used to be dead after 2:00 PM EST before patch 6.0 and right now it is pretty much playable 20+ hour too

[george357]

so much anger over pvp so many sore losers pvp is for those who want to play not to just cry about when they lose.

[Neoyoshi]

Frontlines themselves is long overdue for some type of revamping or overhaul, so i hope that happens at some point, because as others have pointed out, the way some jobs function feel very much tailored towards Crystaline Conflict, thus being broken in classic frontline.

[Duskane]

I dream everytime i Que into FL that they rework it into two team games
all the mods would be so much cleaner wouldn't even have to change the maps also allow Rival wings into the daily roulette

[Divinemights]

I dream everytime i Que into FL that they rework it into two team games
all the mods would be so much cleaner wouldn't even have to change the maps also allow Rival wings into the daily roulette

If you want two team games, wait for Rival Wing
Don't like Frontlien, then don't play; there are many way to get tome and experience

[Duskane]

If you want two team games, wait for Rival Wing
Don't like Frontlien, then don't play; there are many way to get tome and experience

nope sorry I still enjoy frontline(unless its nodes) it just be a much nicer mode if it was 1v1 for teams and not 1v1v1

GC aspect has long been dead and not a thing anymore