Stop cheating new players

[DBriggs304]

Housing also includes apartments. So yeah, it's an easily attainable feature of the game.

[FuraMal]

Housing also includes apartments. So yeah, it's an easily attainable feature of the game.

Nothing to see here - get an apartment and quit whining, right? Betting you have a house, so you come here to look down on the little folks.

SE's housing advertisements clearly show a house. "Housing also includes apartments" might be your definition, but it's not mine.

[Jojoya]

"Housing also includes apartments" might be your definition, but it's not mine.

Unfortunately, it's also SE's definition. They're the ones that must be convinced to change the system.

It's not going to work out too well if players keep saying "there's not enough housing" when the real problem is there aren't enough houses for every player that wants one.

[FuraMal]

Unfortunately, it's also SE's definition.

Jojoya I mean no disrespect here - but can you (or someone) point to where SE defines housing? All I've seen is that advertisement that has a clear picture of a house.

I'm making a presumption that apartments are not housing. Forum posters that disagree with me are also making a presumption. This seems to be due to a lack of communication on SE's part, which we only care about due to a supply vs. demand issue.

The Lodestone post about opening up more houses for personal use acknowledges a supply issue. SE would do themselves a big favor by saying that they plan on addressing housing supply in future patches; what they're doing now does not come close to addressing it.

Without demolition in place and with the wards so full on many servers, this problem could continue for years like it already has.

In my opinion they're going to lose a lot of players over this and it could be avoided.

[Shibi]

...All I've seen is that advertisement that has a clear picture of a house...

Ever seen a hamburger ad?



Apartments are not houses, but they are housing.

[Besame]

Jojoya I mean no disrespect here - but can you (or someone) point to where SE defines housing? All I've seen is that advertisement that has a clear picture of a house.

I'm making a presumption that apartments are not housing. Forum posters that disagree with me are also making a presumption. This seems to be due to a lack of communication on SE's part, which we only care about due to a supply vs. demand issue.

The Lodestone post about opening up more houses for personal use acknowledges a supply issue. SE would do themselves a big favor by saying that they plan on addressing housing supply in future patches; what they're doing now does not come close to addressing it.

Without demolition in place and with the wards so full on many servers, this problem could continue for years like it already has.

In my opinion they're going to lose a lot of players over this and it could be avoided.

For myself, when looking at possible future MMOs, I see housing as meaning "A House". House to me signifies, a home, yard, etc. Because of the possibility of mileading or fraudulant informantion, I now search the forums or Reditt to ensure claification before I purchase. These days I take nothing at face value.

[YukikoKurosawa]

Housing also includes apartments. So yeah, it's an easily attainable feature of the game.

^ Person who probably owns a house.

[DPZ2]

^ Person who probably owns a house.

<< Person who does not own a house, but has an FC room (or apartment on an alt), which is housing.

You might not like it, but don't pull the "You got yours and I can't get mine" card, since you know nothing about the poster to whom you responded other than you didn't like the message.

[Archaell]

For SE housing is mainly about FC houses. Anybody can join a free company with the house and enjoy their slice of Eorzea in form of FC room. Social ones might even be able to befriend FC leader and decorate. That's the main housing. Apartments are bonus. Private houses luxury.

[Jojoya]

I'm sure SE uses the actual definition of housing, just as most of the rest of us do. Here, I looked it up for you:

hous·ing1
/ˈhouziNG/

noun
1.
houses and apartments considered collectively.
"a housing development"

There's no presumption going on.

I absolutely agree that SE has not only poorly designed the system but also poorly promotes it so it lends the impression that players are supposed to be able to get a house and not just an apartment. That's no doubt due to apartments not even being added to the game until patch 3.4 so originally a house was the only option.

But it's also normal for advertising to highlight the best of a feature instead of the more common elements. If you're watching a trailer for a movie, you're going to see the action packed clips instead of the clips where characters are just talking to each other. If you're seeing an ad a cable or satellite service, they're going to be showing clips of sports and popular movies, not clips of the local evening news or a nature documentary.
Anyone who eats fast food knows that what you see in their ads is not how your food is going to look when you get it.

And so SE uses a picture of a house for their housing advertising instead of an apartment. It's the standard way of doing advertising.

It's promotion that's the problem. Advertising is only one part of promoting products. If SE isn't going to change the system from what it is, then they need to up their promotion game to make the realities of the system apparent to players.