Stop cheating new players

[Elissar]

You can do many similar stuff with your apartment (except obviously the space and gardening)
We still have island sanctuary to see and tbh...housing is always one of MANY things that a modern fantasy game have, quitting the game because the lack of accessibility seems...dramatic.

If you like management that much, maybe Cities Skyline, The Sims, ESO, etc...have enough to fill this gap for now.

Not everyone will be satisfied with everything, that's the rule.

[Espon]

As long as auto-demolition remains off and majority of the wards remain FC only, many people will be unable to get a house. Adding new wards will only alleviate the problem for the first couple lotteries since nothing is being reclaimed.

I was bored and decided to look up some of my neighbours on the lodestone, and many of them do not have a level 90 job. This means they haven't played since before Endwalker and are just sitting on an unused house.

[Shuuli]

I play games because there are things that I cannot have in real life but I can in games. I cannot beat big freaking monsters or cast magic spells, I cannot ride shiney dragons, I cannot just not pee 24/7.

One of my life goal is to have a house, so when I learned I could get one, I was super happy (Mind you I joined the game in ShB, so for a long time I did not know about housing). I liked the idea and I got very invested. Until I figured out I will never have my own house in this game...

It kinda shattered the "fantasy" of final fantasy to me. Not that different from my real life. And all the people who make fake FCs to have a house and then talk down to those who complain, cause we dont try to "cheat" the system, kinda sound like the older generation who could buy a house for pennies when they were young...

This is my opninion and feelings.

But I am hopeful that the personal islands will solve this.

[Besame]

I play games because there are things that I cannot have in real life but I can in games. I cannot beat big freaking monsters or cast magic spells, I cannot ride shiney dragons, I cannot just not pee 24/7.

One of my life goal is to have a house, so when I learned I could get one, I was super happy (Mind you I joined the game in ShB, so for a long time I did not know about housing). I liked the idea and I got very invested. Until I figured out I will never have my own house in this game...

It kinda shattered the "fantasy" of final fantasy to me. Not that different from my real life. And all the people who make fake FCs to have a house and then talk down to those who complain, cause we dont try to "cheat" the system, kinda sound like the older generation who could buy a house for pennies when they were young...

This is my opninion and feelings.

But I am hopeful that the personal islands will solve this.

Sorry but as far as what I have heard and read, Islands will not be anything like housing :/

[Risvertasashi]

I always thought it a bit odd that SE uses housing as such a big marketing push on new players, yet cares so little for provisioning it anywhere close to demand.

[Eraden]

At this stage of the game, there are 3 possible explanations for SE not having fixed this issue. The first is that SE either lacks the resources to fix this issue or feels that the resources required outweigh any benefits gained. The second is that SE lacks the expertise to pull apart the code (I recall someone saying that they are notoriously reluctant to resort to outside help for fixing things) and insert fixes to the housing system. The third is that SE deliberately wants housing to be a restricted commodity. None of these possibilities precludes the others. SE has not even acknowledged that there is a problem and thus all of these possibilities remain on the table. Until we get ANY acknowledgement of this issue, we are essentially perma-stuck at square one with no resolution in sight.

[Shibi]

At this stage of the game, there are 3 possible explanations for SE not having fixed this issue...

All of those are correct, and I need to agree. I will add a fourth though...

The Hrothgar Earless Hair excuse for housing which basically goes with Yoshi saying "well, we didn't know you wanted anything better, we heard you on the lottery idea and thought that was what you wanted and now you say it's not. Well this is very concerning." and maybe a "post what you want want he forums, and we will look at it".

Honestly, I wish he could hire an experienced dev with a proven housing track record, someone like Emily Taylor (Domino) from EQ2's past or many others of similar star calibre to redo it and come up with something world beating.

[Eraden]

All of those are correct, and I need to agree. I will add a fourth though...

The Hrothgar Earless Hair excuse for housing which basically goes with Yoshi saying "well, we didn't know you wanted anything better, we heard you on the lottery idea and thought that was what you wanted and now you say it's not. Well this is very concerning." and maybe a "post what you want want he forums, and we will look at it".

Honestly, I wish he could hire an experienced dev with a proven housing track record, someone like Emily Taylor (Domino) from EQ2's past or many others of similar star calibre to redo it and come up with something world beating.

Shibi, if that is what the developers had concluded about the calls for a lottery, all I can say is that the level of cognitive dissonance they have demonstrated is off the charts.

[Jojoya]

Shibi, if that is what the developers had concluded about the calls for a lottery, all I can say is that the level of cognitive dissonance they have demonstrated is off the charts.

Put it on the players who said "A lottery will solve all our problems. We don't care what other players are saying about a lottery not really solving the real problem. All we care about is removing the need to placard camp. Give us a lottery and we'll be happy." So SE gave them the lottery they were asking for.

Are they happy like they said they would be? Some are. Some aren't.

Are the rest of us asking for a solution to the real problem happy? No, but then SE wasn't trying to address our concerns. They were just addressing the concerns of the players that didn't want to placard camp.

[Toutatis]

Are the rest of us asking for a solution to the real problem happy? No, but then SE wasn't trying to address our concerns. They were just addressing the concerns of the players that didn't want to placard camp.

The lottery is at least fair and much better than placard camping. Placard camping was the dumbest possible system. It was unhealthy and made only for people with no rl responsibilities. There is a difference between “want” and “can” placard camp.

That being said, the lottery still doesn’t address SE’s shortcomings when it comes to the overall huge supply problem. Bidding on your dream plot near the beach is one thing, seeing your chance to be able to access certain in game content being reduced to 1/100 for a small house and probably close to 1/1000 chances in the next lottery based on pure rngis not right.