6.2 Hrothgar Update

[Midareyukki]

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1 - No one is taking them for granted. We've been asking for complete and functional hairstyles for three years. When the only thing you present after so long are the worst choices available and then snip out the ears, then .
"Many other devs would have just called it a day and go through with their original plan and never add the ears." Yes girlie, and you know what we call those? BAD DEVELOPERS. Look no further than Riot Games.
Because all we've done was point out flaws in their design and a very noticeable lack of interest. They're good developers otherwise, but even good developers make mistakes. There's a clear difference between that and calling them bad devs.
Ignoring that is ignoring the whole context behind the race. Then again, I doubt you'd have any context on our race given you don't even play it. So why would you care?

2 - No, what was not on the cards was Hrothgars wearing other races' hairstyles.
Hrothgars having racially-unique hairstyles was a thing they admitted to consider doing.
After 3 years, what we got were other races' hairstyles, and zero unique hairstyles.

3 - You don't lack for empathy but boy howdy you lack knowledge of the situation.

4 - "The difference is that if they ever introduce hats for my race, I'll be happy. Whining about them taking longer than I would have wanted doesn't contribute anything, and I'd rather be grateful for every step in the right direction than angry about it."
GEE, IT'S ALMOST AS IF YOUR RACE HAS A DIFFERENT HISTORY THAN OURS DOES :U

It's almost as if you didn't wait SILENTLY for three years, waiting for some sliver of attention, see it be delayed, and when it does show up it's a bloody disaster!
Oh I'm sorry miss, did we all forget collectively that it was YOUR race shouting like crazy in their streams for :crab: MALE VIERA :crab:?
That it's your race that's getting a lot of hairstyles?
That whenever the devs speak about the two races, they're super vocal about Viera and often even neglect mentioning Hrothgars at all?
That it's YOUR RACE that got a male counterpart before either of our races got any fix??

We have a right to be displeased with this, because unlike your race, ours got humiliating results.

Please educate yourself on the matter before coming into a thread about it: You didn't get humiliating results. You didn't have a dev show up and say "we didn't do it because it was too hard lol" and then bail. An answer that is both untrue (modders did it in under a week) and also unconvincing (they use Agile Development).

5 - "But that's up to each person I guess."
No, that's just you speaking out of your netherhole.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Even in businesses it's still in the general best interest to respect people who do their work. These people aren't soulless machines.

[Midareyukki]

Even in businesses it's still in the general best interest to respect people who do their work. These people aren't soulless machines.

And we did. And we do.

No one is sending death threats to the devs, no one is calling them crap.

We're just pointing the issues with their design and decisions, and when they prove to be inflexible, it's a source of frustration.

The issue hasn't been solved, only the bare minimum was done. And it's healthy to acknowledge that, otherwise what, you expect us to only accept the absolute bare every time? When other races get better stuff all the time?

You have several posts, from myself and others, theorizing on what obstacles they have and justifying why this situation is being so complicated, but one thing still remains under it all: the devs could, should and definitely did see these issues coming and did nothing to prevent them.

Respect can still be afforded even in the middle of frustration, it's not all whining. It's simply stating a truth, nothing more.
And the truth is specifically that the devs aren't paying this race its due respect. And that changing a boolean value isn't hard work. It's not, because that can be changed through third party tools in under a minute.

Also, I'd argue it goes both ways, but when the respect Square afforded us has been varying a lot between awkward and humiliating or dismissing, you can't complain that we're upset. Stop acting like we're attacking the devs when we're not.

"These people aren't soulless machines", of course they're not, no one's saying they are. But the issue stands that they made mistakes which are growing larger and larger and aren't being addressed at a fundamental level, and they really need to be.
And no matter how hard we tell them "guys, this is gonna get out of hand", they aren't doing anything.
And seeing people tell us to stop complaining, to just sit down and watch this situation grow worse and worse without any clear and defined plan, is distressing.

The bare minimum isn't a sign of a clear and defined plan. What is is them being transparent about the race and explain their plans in the long run and explain the obstacles they're facing in a concise and objective manner. Not just to safeguard them, to temper our own expectations (bc let's admit, some people here expect too much), and also to ensure we're all on the same page and don't have nasty surprises.

[Rokke]

I think some bitterness is warranted when the topic is something that very very clearly should have never been rolled out. I am happy a fix came sooner than later but this should not have been a thing.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Fine whatever, it's useless to try to sway people from being bitter about things.

Like I totally get it, but I also feel it's kinda useless in this situation. There's still other issues that we still need to press them for to fix rather than continuing arguing over something they fixed over.

Maybe that's just me, maybe IM the crazy one here.

[Padudu]

Even in businesses it's still in the general best interest to respect people who do their work. These people aren't soulless machines.

I get where you're coming from, but it's not like we have anyone specific to criticize on the development side of these things. Like yeah there's Yoshi-P, but we know he can only have his hands in so much in regards to the development of XIV, considering he has other projects going on as well. I don't think anyone is screaming at developers who are only being told what to do by their managers and just following by SE's guidelines.

Of course, no one should be advocating to send death threats, insults, yelling at them, ect ect.. Developers can only do the job they're given. :V They can make suggestions or try to implement other changes, but in the end it's not up to them. But again, other than Yoshi-P, we don't have anyone specific to voice these complaints to - so we end up just saying SE/developers/ect to encompass it all.

And come on -- you and I know that SE/Yoshi P's statements towards player's criticisms have, at times, been incredibly dismissive and sometimes flat out ignoring concerns. To the playerbase that feels disrespectful and we get ticked off at that and sometimes it's just hard to be respectful when you know there's a chance they're not even going to take you seriously.

Fine whatever, it's useless to try to sway people from being bitter about things.

Like I totally get it, but I also feel it's kinda useless in this situation. There's still other issues that we still need to press them for to fix rather than continuing arguing over something they fixed over.

Maybe that's just me, maybe IM the crazy one here.

It's useless to do a lot of things in the forums, but part of the forums is that it also serves as a place to rant/vent about something as specific as this to ye fellow users. Forums aren't exactly an alive medium nowadays, so it's good to have somewhere to go to just let frustrations out when you don't want to do it over in Discord/Reddit. Will they see and lodge our complaints here? Most likely not, but I don't think it's useless at all.

While the complaints can get very harsh and there is just some that are purely venting, there is some merit in having conversations to peers about *why* they feel like a feature is not working or is not enough. It helps people come together and not make them feel alone on an issue.

[DiaDeem]

Well, regardless of how you guys feel about me, I'm happy you're getting the fix and I hope you get much more as the game progresses. Take care.

[Oizen]

you guys act like literally any square enix employees even read whats posted on these forums.

[Lustre]

you guys act like literally any square enix employees even read whats posted on these forums.

Yup. We're all talking to ourselves in here. Dont even know where the mods are, let alone devs. Look back to the ARR days, there was tons of personal communication between players and devs. Hell, there are posts where koji fox was answering peoples questions himself and keeping it real. Now? Ghost town.

[LaylaTsarra]

you guys act like literally any square enix employees even read whats posted on these forums.

They must read something be it here or other venues they seemed fix the ears pretty quickly probably a lot faster than most expected.

We also got Male Viera and Female Hroths are on the way. I think they got the message Male Hrothgar weren't happy in the least.