6.2 Hrothgar Update

[XiRon]

...is it adding fuel to the fire to remind people that Housing, one singular niche glitch with DRG in TEA and PvP Black Mage had a lot more attention from the devs than a whole race complaining across social media for months? Much less counting the three years where they said jack all?

tbh this is why I said I didn't give up. Because yeah, we won't have anything. They don't deem us to be anything worth their time, and they've shown that. So expecting them to do anything right in the future is like wishing on a shooting star.

But then people can't hide behind white knighting and praise the devs for every single factor. They are choosing to ignore a portion of their playerbase for absolutely no reason other than "oops, we made a race that was a bit harder to deal with :x"
And that won't stop me from calling those people out.

It's irresponsible, no matter how few of us there are. Because we didn't ask for this race, they were the ones who wanted it in. So why punish us to care for stuff they added to the game? Next time there's a dungeon, an ultimate or whatever, why should I feel compelled to enjoy it? So that they ignore it when people have feedback about it? Great attitude from a development team.

More fuel for the fire: When Alphinauds HW attire dropped on the shop, it cut off aura and miqote tails. They complained. Very loudly. And the same day it dropped it was hotfixed to allow their tails again (idk about hrothgar tails bc no hroth bought it anyway bc it comes with a hairstyle you cant use, because of course).
Meanwhile the entire community mocked the "ears are hiding in hair" comment, told Yoshi via youtube vids or comments on twitter that that sucks a fat load of eggs, and...yknow I checked every subpatch in 6.1, every hotfix, and not once did they give us ears on our new styles. Even Snows. Which not only costs money, but very clearly shows Miqote and Viera boys NOT getting ears lobbed off on the online purchase page.

So yeah. Anyone thinking we're getting anything in 6.2 when they cant even fix hair that costs extra money to own is more delusional than anyone in the looney bin who believes they're an eggplant.

[ronibosch]

Alphinaud's attire talk

The criticism that I've seen regarding this is that there aren't enough Hrothgar players for it to be a high enough priority, which doesn't even hold up well because there are more Hroth players than fem Elezen and fem Roe (I can't remember which thread, but the percentages of each race/gender played were posted). Also, there would be more Hroth players if they just fixed them already.

Like, how does a multimillion dollar company do something so egregious to thousands of their subscribers for their biggest cash cow, then still have supporters make excuses for their bad quality control and blatant favoritism? Sorry, but there is no excuse for how Hrothgar have been treated.

Okay, mini rant over.

[Midareyukki]

The criticism that I've seen regarding this is that there aren't enough Hrothgar players for it to be a high enough priority, which doesn't even hold up well because there are more Hroth players than fem Elezen and fem Roe (I can't remember which thread, but the percentages of each race/gender played were posted). Also, there would be more Hroth players if they just fixed them already.

Like, how does a multimillion dollar company do something so egregious to thousands of their subscribers for their biggest cash cow, then still have supporters make excuses for their bad quality control and blatant favoritism? Sorry, but there is no excuse for how Hrothgar have been treated.

Okay, mini rant over.

We're actually pretty low, honestly.

However what I find hilarious is how for all the shouting there was for Male Viera, Hrothgar players outnumber them. Only so slightly, but we do. So catering to male Viera, by SE's standards, was more wasteful than we'd be.

That, and people claiming us to be too few in number and supporting SE in this should also cutely shut the hell up, because there we have another race that has less players than we are and they got attention. Apart from the normal issues that plague all Vieras, you don't see Male Vieras complaining that the one time the devs paid any attention to them was botched.

Also, look at "endgame characters". Compare our numbers to Roegadyn and Female Elezen, two legacy races. Congrats on the aforementioned "few Male Viera" for being more numerous than we are on this aspect. Because it means that from the few that play these "niche races", a lot of them are interested in taking them to endgame and enjoy the game the devs spent years to make.

It isn't at all fair for this to still be touted as an excuse.

And for the few lunatics still deluded that "we knew this would happen", not only have the devs not say anything about this (so stop lying), and the few times they actually did, they ended up contradicting and changing their minds. The devs just outright keep making this situation worse, and they've been showing for three years that no; No they don't care about their community or playerbase. If they had, then not only would we have had any news by now about how they'll make our races going forward, they'd also have gone out of their way to state explicitly "we want to make stuff for Hrothgar but have no feedback from them, so please present some to guide us". They're not saints, stop pretending they are: they only care about money, so for them any silence, even the silence you want us to have out of respect, just means that they don't need to work hard at all.

But it does seem that it's our fate to just be constantly given the middle finger. Because we happened to choose the race that was the least like everyone else.

Edit: because I know people will be blind, not care or just overall distort this, these are the numbers as of August 12th 2022 at 03:25 GMT+1:

Call it bad faith or whatever, but it's not like the forums give me much hope to trust in anyone in here anyway.
If SE is reading this, which I very much doubt, learn from your past mistakes.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

We're actually pretty low, honestly.
However what I find hilarious is how for all the shouting there was for Male Viera, Hrothgar players outnumber them. Only so slightly, but we do. So catering to male Viera, by SE's standards, was more wasteful than we'd be.

Are they really? Interesting.
I mean yeah, my Server has lots of Hrothgar in it compared to the Male Viera, but do we (Remember I have an Alt) really outnumber to competition that had WAAAAAYYY more attention brought to it?
-"Globally-"?

[Midareyukki]

Are they really? Interesting.
I mean yeah, my Server has lots of Hrothgar in it compared to the Male Viera, but do we (Remember I have an Alt) really outnumber to competition that had WAAAAAYYY more attention brought to it?
-"Globally-"?

Zanarkand, this is FFXIV Census. It's pooled from the Lodestone, meaning it's global. This is the result you get from all the active accounts in the game regardless of datacenter or region. Only if you scroll down do you get more nuanced data based on stuff like that. But for the races, it's a global result, it's not discriminating between worlds.

Yes. We outnumber "the competition". We barely, BARELY do, but the numbers are there: Hrothgar currently outnumber Male Viera.

And I know what many will say. "Oh but this is old data", no it bloody isn't, Endwalker was released only half a year ago, the numbers may be large but they're somewhat stable to make a census.

And keep in mind what ronibosch said: Hrothgar would be higher had Square Enix made the race properly to begin with. They've been giving it bad press on conception and turning many away from it. AND YET we outnumber Male Viera at the moment.

I don't care if Male Viera got that many players on such short notice: it was hyped to hell so of course it would. But the fact remains that Square made that race for the people who asked, and as it stands? They don't outnumber us. THEY are the true 2%, not us. Yet they came out right (within reason). And they didn't get dismissed or handwaved with the world's worst, trashiest hairstyle announcement that would make a L'Oreal advert look like a million bucks!

[Oizen]

Well I mean, theres already blatant favoritism in the amount of effort each job gets, not really surprising they'd do the same with the races.

[ronibosch]

Well I mean, theres already blatant favoritism in the amount of effort each job gets, not really surprising they'd do the same with the races.

I wouldn't mind Yoshi P playing a healer class Hrothgar for a few weeks or months. His character also has to wear one of the 6.1 earless hairs, preferably the 2b or Karen one.

I'm mostly joking, but a part of me wants to see what the outcome would be.

[Midareyukki]

Goddamn it, I don't like this topic.

This is personal, and I know that the forums are NOT people's personal diaries... but christ, I just can't with this anymore.

I'm done being angry all the time at this situation. I'm done not trusting people in the community for support. I'm done thinking people will ever support us. We're not a cute race, we're not even a race people enjoy. Every damned time I think of this race, I'm both happy because I absolutely love it, but I also feel absolutely torn because of the way it's being handled. "Unfair" is sugarcoating it.
I already tried taking a break, but... this topic... f this topic right up a cactuar's eyesocket. And it's really just this one topic!

Is the story perfect? No, but I enjoy it.
Is BLU perfect? No, but I had fun with it, it was neat.
Was Eureka perfect? Hell no, but it was fun with friends.
Bozja's story wasn't fun, but the content itself is.
And yes, even the bland, overdone and overrated Scions are still characters I enjoy.
I'm not someone who dwells in negativity, despite what it seems. And even if a game is kinda trashy, I'd still like it for what it was. I can find enjoyment out of Dirge of Cerberus :| I know I have bad taste and can endure even the ugliest games if I find them fun.

But for a team that's honestly really good when they put their minds to it, they dropped the ball so hard with this race. And the way they've treated it is just absolutely shameful. I don't need to agree with the dev team every darn time, they're a group of humans and this is their product. We pay for it, sure, but it's still an expression of their creativity. I've been okay with divisive content. Because all the rest of the game makes up for it and I can just adjust. But this Hrothgar thing has gone too far and it's consistently been a sh**show. When the least we ask for is communication, regarding all the rest this team has done, you know they f'd up. And it bred a foul reaction from the community.

Whenever this topic comes up and I have to explain to people why the situation is so bad, consolidate so much crap and be reminded that things truly could have been different if people had cared, I just turn into what these forums are known for the most: a toxic cesspit. And that isn't who I am. I'm someone who enjoys this game and wants to keep enjoying the game, no matter what divisive thing comes because I can always find a middle ground and adjust to the new reality. Because it's a game I feel is worth it. This one situation is just the one thing I cannot tolerate, and it's not fun nor healthy for me.

So yeah, sorry, I don't want to get angry at people again for no reason, and I just don't want to devolve into a hate ball again. Far too much time has already been invested in trying to get the devs' attentions, and sometimes I feel Churro's right: all I've done was just make Hrothgars look worse.

Good luck for all of you who still enjoy the race. It's honestly not bad, the situation we're in is. I'll try to do the same.

Peace.

[ronibosch]

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I understand. I guess I'll get a little personal, too. I've been a fan of SE for most of my life now: a little over 20 years. The Final Fantasy franchise is what got me into JRPGs. Heck, back when FFXI was popular I wanted to play, but I was still a kid at the time. So, I was ecstatic when I came across FFXIV during a dark time in my adult life.

I love FFXIV: the story, the characters, the gameplay, etc. It gave me a good experience with MMOs, being my first one. I even looked forward to playing a Viera despite the limitations, since Fran was a fave of mine.

Like several others on this forum have said, I only make my complaints known because I know that FFXIV, and Square Enix as a whole, can do better and deserves better. It is a brilliant franchise, so seeing things that can be easily rectified, such as the Hrothgar fantasia problem and the removal of ears and hats, be brushed under the rug by SE is pretty upsetting.

Really, all I want is for the developers to fess up to their obvious mistakes with Hrothgar (and, to an extent, Viera). How can we be excited for Hrothgals when what we've been given so far is an utter disappointment? I know Square Enix can do better than this.

Also, Midareyukki, Hrothgar are cute and badass! >:)

[SturmChurro]

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I am pretty sure this was the thread I was done in, but I will post one more time in reply since I was named. It looks like hrothgar are getting an ear update for their hair! This is what I mean about being persistent! It seems they just didn't communicate they were doing such until they had something to show for it.