Thread: 6.2 Hrothgar Update

Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

The Hrothgar are not being ignored and they are not going to be removed or deleted...thats just silly.
Dev time on them is just hilariously slow. Sadly, I dont think 90%-95% of the headgear will be functional on the Hrothgar, its a sad reality. It would be nice if they could get more headgear working already, and make Store Glamour Headgear wearable. And I hope they do plan future gear to include the Hrothgar.
Something else they could/Should do is make some Lv1 Glamour gear for the Hrothgar.

Some unique Unique racial gear to make up for the lack of Headgear would be neat.
Pipedream Im sure.

So can you explain why out of all the hairstyles they could've added to Hrothgar after 2/3 years they added 2 joke ones and 2 completely uncharacteristic ones?


Can you also then explain further why despite having NPC's that use different face/hair combos existing in the game(gangos), players still don't have access these options?


I'm curious how you people will rationalize that. Because if Hrothgar got access to all of their racial hair + 4 new Hrothgar-centric hairstyles. Virtually no one would be complaining at the moment.


Its literally just neglect and delusion on the part of the devs. There really isn't any other excuse, the devs are allowed to be out of touch and wrong.

Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

--What am I rationalizing again? I reread my quoted post and not sure what you are referring to...because Im not apologizing for the company or saying everything is A-OK (Which I get accused of alot despite never saying it)

That's the thing. On quite a lot of posts, you do look like you come out in support for Hrothgars, but then end up saying stuff that don't match reality, often even excusing the development team's methods and derailing their already-sketchy plans for what you personally think is right. Rather than be objective about what should and shouldn't be implemented. You're not the only one, though. It's a thing I see many people do, and it's often because they just overall don't understand what sort of game they're playing. In a "unaware of how the game has been designed and what sort of paradigm we're working with" way. As well as just not knowing how software design works in general. I'm no expert, but a lot of my friends work in the area, not just in programming and software design, but in game development as well, and they've helped me understand the situation in broad terms.

On this topic alone, it just feels like you missed the point, that's really all I can gather from it.

Don't get me wrong. Overall, it's clear what you want. You said so yourself once too. Female Hrothgar to come with Hrothgar Fixes. Among other things, no doubt. But what you want isn't going to match what will happen. Not because what you want is ridiculous; we wish it were like that as well, but that's a perfect-world scenario. We know how the development team is. And we've seen the past three years and how they've dealt with the situation. And what many people understood, both from their work and their responses, is that they view all this as a minor thing that they can just wing and be done with.

Frankly? I do apologize for having called you deluded. It is clear you are passionate about something. It's just misplaced, imo. Misplaced and possibly a bit rash.

For now, Square screwed up with what we got. If we want something done right in the future, then they can't half-ass it the way they've been so far.

Originally Posted by Vahlnir

In a roundabout way, you kinda do on this subject. You sometimes start off appearing to defend them, only to do a complete 180 by the end. Intentional or not, it is how I perceive some of your posts in regard to this, so I can see how others might get that impression too. I've got nothing against you though either way. Just calling it as I see it.

This is the problem Im noticing with how people read my posts.
Im very clear that Im not defending them and say the opposite of Defending, but it seems like there is ONE part of my post that seems to get looked at more then everything else.
I said the Dev time on Hrothgar is Hilariously slow...I expressed how its questionable that they wouldnt make these unique hairs they mentioned instead of using old hairs. I said It would be nice if they could get more headgear working already, and make Store Glamour Headgear wearable. And I hope they do plan future gear to include the Hrothgar.
Something else they could/Should do is make some Lv1 Glamour gear for the Hrothgar......
I sit here and name my grievance and agree with people...So I am quite confused how any of that is showing Support and Defending the company or saying the nonsense that is pinned on me.

Oh..I see the problem, ""-I refuse to follow that idea personally. Neglect and Delusion "" or ""The Hrothgar are not being ignored and they are not going to be removed or deleted...thats just silly."" so right there is sounds like a defense for them....just because I disagree on that thought process, now everything else I said doesn't matter. Even though I agree about the issues, it doesnt matter if I show support, because I dont agree on one part.

Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Square screwed up with what we got. If we want something done right in the future, then they can't half-ass it the way they've been so far.

I...AGREE...I...UNDERSTAND this point as well.
Not once have I ever said what we got is A-Ok or argued against this. -sigh-
Thank You, I accept the apology and thank you for the kind words, but please Im not sure how to make my point or give my thoughts on this subject without somehow sounding like Im saying "The company can do not wrong" (even though I never said that) but after...how many interactions we had, understand Im on your side, and everyones side in seeing Improvements. Not once have I excused the current state of the Hrothgar. And I agree they NEED to do better.

Whenever I make another post, I want that to be understood from the get-go.

Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Ok I wont....not like I did in the 1st place.
Nowhere in my post did I say any of that, or even try to make that argument. I bloody wish I could make myself more clear without giving the wrong impression, because these misreadings are quite annoying.

.w. that one post wasn't meant toward you, Zanarkand... It's me picking up on XiRon's answer to Mosha. As well as a general warning for everyone else.

Because Mosha implied that the devs were doing a shoddy job with Hrothgar because they didn't have enough budget and they didn't want to make new races after Au Ra. And it's just like... a) that's not really an excuse because everything is planned out months, if not years in advance. And b) I mean, at the end of the day, they ended up agreeing to making two more races. At the same time. They should have had some foresight and responsability while doing it.

Speaking of Mosha...

Originally Posted by Mosha

They said they DIDN'T want to add another race
They said those races would have LIMITATIONS
YOU CHOOSE to play that RACE
Now you're CRYING on the forums about it.

Horthgar was a mistake tbh, if you want my opinion.

No one wanted it, but thanks for giving your trashy misinformed opinion anyway.

We chose to play a race that had limitations, yes, but were told that they'd get improved upon over time. We're crying because not only was Square misleading, the stuff we are getting is irresponsibly shoddy.

It doesn't matter if that's what they wanted from the start or not. You start something, you own up to it to the end. You may have said once you didn't want to do it, but now that you have, how about at least putting in some actual effort and make sure you're not left with something this shoddy? Otherwise you just look petty in front of your own playerbase who did nothing wrong other than enjoy the content you made. If fans come together and say "Cool that you wanted this to be limited, but we love it so much, we want it to be complete", your answer isn't "Shut up, take what you have, and also a crap no one asked for that barely works". Not if you want your game to grow.

Stop blaming the fanbase. If you and anyone else still insists on this ridiculous nonsense answer that "we knew what we were getting to", then you're not worth listening to. Because guess what: 1.0 was also very much a trash heap, and fans cried out for Square to either fix it or admit that the game wasn't good. Because a lot of features in the game only exist because fans demanded it.

These races have support and they have feedback. Unlike useless stuff in the game that no one ever uses.

Just accept that they're here and that the devs WANT them to be here, otherwise they wouldn't have made them. No one is whining but you. We're expressing our disappointment and outrage, and we even have a thread to give feedback to Square Enix. The only ones crying are the ones who still haven't accepted reality and want to bother people hoping for a better game.

I don't care about their stupid past. I care about the present and the future. And right now, they made the decision to make these races, so they need to acknowledge the consequences of their decisions and acknowledge that this isn't just a one-sided deal. They can't throw things into the wall and expect people to eat it.

But if you're one of those people who would be okay with that, then grab a fork. Clearly you're starving.

Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

This is the problem Im noticing with how people read my posts.
Im very clear that Im not defending them and say the opposite of Defending, but it seems like there is ONE part of my post that seems to get looked at more then everything else.
I said the Dev time on Hrothgar is Hilariously slow...I expressed how its questionable that they wouldnt make these unique hairs they mentioned instead of using old hairs. I said It would be nice if they could get more headgear working already, and make Store Glamour Headgear wearable. And I hope they do plan future gear to include the Hrothgar.
Something else they could/Should do is make some Lv1 Glamour gear for the Hrothgar......
I sit here and name my grievance and agree with people...So I am quite confused how any of that is showing Support and Defending the company or saying the nonsense that is pinned on me.

Oh..I see the problem, ""-I refuse to follow that idea personally. Neglect and Delusion "" or ""The Hrothgar are not being ignored and they are not going to be removed or deleted...thats just silly."" so right there is sounds like a defense for them....just because I disagree on that thought process, now everything else I said doesn't matter. Even though I agree about the issues, it doesnt matter if I show support, because I dont agree on one part.

Oh, I know where you stand with Hrothgar. I'm not questioning that at all. You are probably one of very few people in comparison to a lot of the forum goers around here who get what the problems with Hrothgar are, and why a lot of people are upset about it, and that is great. If these misunderstandings are happening a lot, however, I would suggest wording your posts better. After a certain point, the problem isn't all of the people pointing it out. If I'm misunderstanding certain things then that's my bad, but I don't really think that I am.

Originally Posted by XiRon

Just let hrothgar use every single headpiece in the game if ears are expendable. Thats a fine compromise, I'd KILL to wear my neoishgardian or mogstation hats.

I would actually legit not mind that because there are some hats I really wanna wear (Calfskin rider's cap and that new Korean [casual?] hat).

I will forever stand by this notion: I dont care what limitations V/H have, Mogstation items should *ALWAYS* work on them. Either have a set for them to buy at a lower price that doesn't include the non-working pieces [Not sure how the system would pull this off....) or make them work. I find it completely unacceptable that at least those hats and hairs dont work on V/H