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    Quote Originally Posted by Kranel_San View Post
    It's a serious issue when modders are doing far better work than experienced devs.
    Modding and implementing something officially server side aren't the same thing at all, it's kinda silly to compare the two.
    The mods have a ton of issues too but even so.
    It's completely ridiculous to look at what modders do and then hold it up against the actual devs and say that the modders are '' more competent '' or whatever, it just displays a fundamental lack of understanding of how game development works especially in MMO's and other online games.

    Per usual people are SEVERELY oversimplifying things, just like they did with the housing situation last time when people were screaming at the devs and not even understanding what the problem even was.
    Even after Yoshi-P came out and explained it in a fair amount of detail people didn't understand it.
    There's a lot of complexities that modders don't have to deal with that the actual devs do, there's even less of an argument for comparing the two in online games than in a game like Skyrim for example.

    Quote Originally Posted by XiRon View Post
    Ok? Amazing. Great. I'm so stoked the NEW CONTENT they add every patch includes like superduper necessary things like...aquarium fish and a parasol emote. While theres a race in their game that still has to change its entire face if it wants to use its racial hair.

    This is such a lameass excuse honest to god like WE SEE them add new stuff every patch that just plain doesnt work, at all, if you dare to play a race from shb. There is 0 reason to not make every single new hat or hair work for hrothgar and viera but we have "oh its hard oooh they have to add a 2 minute solo instance to msq ooh its so difficult please understand" while two PLAYER RACES get the shitcovered end of the stick. Every single time. For YEARS.
    I think that the amount of people who would actually be willing to sacrifice on other content for the sake of Hrothgar helmets or whatever is very low tbh.
    This is a far more immense task than you're making it out to be, A LOT of work would go into it and they already struggled to even create Hrothgar to begin with and felt it was necessary to make these sacrifices to even make them a reasonable possibility to begin with.
    It's easy to sit in your armchair and judge, but if you know anything about the history of this game and the work culture in Japan it's pretty crazy to act like they're just lazy or whatever.
    They work incredibly hard, and if you think that they wouldn't love to give Hrothgar players what they want then I think you're very mistaken.
    The reason why it isn't/ hasn't happened yet isn't because they're uncaring, why would they not want to make the players happy?

    Some of you seriously talk about this as if the devs are not adding what you want out of spite or something too.
    If they actually took on the task in this regard and other content suffered for it too then people would flock to the forum to complain about not getting enough content because their efforts were focused elsewhere too.
    It's a no win situation, but the current situation upsets way less people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolsykol View Post




    I think that the amount of people who would actually be willing to sacrifice on other content for the sake of Hrothgar helmets or whatever is very low tbh.
    This is a far more immense task than you're making it out to be, A LOT of work would go into it and they already struggled to even create Hrothgar to begin with and felt it was necessary to make these sacrifices to even make them a reasonable possibility to begin with.
    It's easy to sit in your armchair and judge, but if you know anything about the history of this game and the work culture in Japan it's pretty crazy to act like they're just lazy or whatever.
    They work incredibly hard, and if you think that they wouldn't love to give Hrothgar players what they want then I think you're very mistaken.
    The reason why it isn't/ hasn't happened yet isn't because they're uncaring, why would they not want to make the players happy?

    Some of you seriously talk about this as if the devs are not adding what you want out of spite or something too.
    If they actually took on the task in this regard and other content suffered for it too then people would flock to the forum to complain about not getting enough content because their efforts were focused elsewhere too.
    It's a no win situation, but the current situation upsets way less people.
    "Why wouldn't they want to make players happy" well apart from the very obvious fact that they deliberately designed every hrothgar HEAD needlessly different just to screw over those players into paying for fantasia if they ever deigned to alter their characters design, an issue which 3 years later has STILL not been fixed, I think making players happy is very much NOT a concern the devs have.
    "Sacrificing content" like ok so the people who design all the new gear and all the new hair options are also responsible for battle mechanics? What? If thats the case they need to hire more but I seriously doubt the team is that minimal. This isn't an indie game (...heh) being made by two schmucks in their parents basement for christ sake. This is the most successful mmo currently on the market, an mmo which charges you monthly for continued play.
    Like please GOD explain to me why Yoship said that for Endwalker on, they would "spare no expense" because I very clearly see expenses being spared! Why is brand new shit not made with hrothgar and viera in mind? And do not tell me the Edward hat that clips so badly on every hrothgar hairstyle its practically invisible is them trying. Its not. Every one else can wear and use things designed to fit the head and NOT clip into nonexistence except hrothgar. Even what few hats viera get don't rip right thru their ears or vanish beneath the "Lyna" hairstyle.
    There is no excuse, certainly not when the freaking director says "spare no expense".
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