Thread: 6.2 Hrothgar Update

They can't just do what modders do because they are limited by the engine on everything server-side

That is what I said, literally.

But it's a moot point. Whether there are limitations on devs that are not there on modders or not I agree that Hrothgar need hats and hairstyles.

Yes, I know all of that. I do remain skeptical that there are not challenges on SE's side we don't know about, given how often they bemoan technical issues.

I am a game designer and know how this stuff works, but not their specific challenges so I am still talking blindly. As a designer I wouldn't want people to think me not doing something was due to, say, laziness. I mean maybe it isn't a technical limitation but a pipeline one, getting someone to do the work, getting it into QA etc. They certainly talk like this is a non-trivial issue.

As for how modding works, I do not mod. Never have. So if I have implied anything about what mods do I am talking out my other end, I am not in that community.

Again though, and I want to make this VERY clear: I am saying all of this to indicate possible explanations for the delay and NOT as an excuse. It is long past time for Hrothgar and Viera to get their hats and hairstyles.

Originally Posted by Payadopa

At this point I'd already be happy if they'd adopt the code from modders even if only I can see the headgear. That would at least be something.

No. No, no, no. I am not settling. This is crap. The way this has gone down is crap. I’m not settling for crap.

I do not want ears on my crappy Whitney Houston haircut. I do not want my ears attached to my skull. I do not want to wait three more years for garbage that only shows me how haphazardly Hrothgar were crammed into the game, built off a jacked-up Roe model. The original spec for Hrothgar involved things like highlights in our tails and stuff. We’re in beta, prioritize a damned overhaul.

The Snow haircut doesn’t look “sort of OK” to me. It looks like it’s one bloodstain away from me taking a shot to the head hard enough basic arithmetic or remembering where my car keys are is going to seem like ESP.

And, frankly, as things are right now they *can’t fix it, because the form factors of the skulls vary wildly. Also, I don’t have the Snow haircut because “We’re introducing 6 haircuts after 3 years, oh by the way one costs $10” because “$10 haircut” be should enough to give you a PTSD flashback.

This isn’t that Hrothgar are hated - we got our own zone of the game. And you can say “representation.” and I’ll agree - but Square didn’t owe us representation. They don’t owe us plot involvement. Or Hrothgar housing NPCs. “Not doing work” doesn’t mean hatred. It means it’s hard and they put us off. Again. Speaking of, Queen damned Gunnhildr is a Femroe? The head of the Hrothgar is a Roegadyn? What the hell’d you do, shave her? Is she on chemotherapy? Can I start a Kickstarter to put her on Hrogaine or something?

They do, however, owe me a damned haircut. Not only because they promised one, then forgot about it until the Zella video, but because every other race gets to pick ears and hair, etc. Viera had 68 skull/hair/ear combos at launch.

Hrothgar had 8.

This isn’t “hatred.” It’s neglect.

-Kelly

Originally Posted by Neoyoshi

Wouldn't it be something if they took all of this feedback and out came something 10 times worse then that Karen haircut you all got?

Not to poke fun but I just feel bad for you all at this point.

I'm honestly not sure if there is a single haircut that look worse on Hrothgar than the Karen one, ears or not.
I just expect them to pretend we don't exist for a few more years. They got really good at this during Shadowbringers.

Originally Posted by Kazhar

I'm honestly not sure if there is a single haircut that look worse on Hrothgar than the Karen one, ears or not.
I just expect them to pretend we don't exist for a few more years. They got really good at this during Shadowbringers.

If they don't say jack during either 6.2 PLL we know we ain't getting shit the rest of the expansion so mark your calendars and prepare to be forgotten once again

Originally Posted by XiRon

If they don't say jack during either 6.2 PLL we know we ain't getting shit the rest of the expansion so mark your calendars and prepare to be forgotten once again

I'll one-up you.

If you noticed for the three PLLs before Viera hair got released, we saw concept sketches, prototypes, even Yoshida saying "So you can see this hair is so pretty, you can tell we've been working hard to get it out the door."

Meanwhile in Hrothgar-land?

"Hrothgar are going to have to be patient, you'll see in 6.1"
"Hrothgar hair is coming."
"We need more time to research Hrothgar hair."

But never a plan. Or a picture. Just we're working on it. Be patient.

So if you don't see prototypes, and mockups, and a discussion as to what they did? Say, some details other than "You have to think of the ears as inside the hair," and then not even showing us one profile view? Xi, the patch notes were incorrect - it said the two hairdos (which they never showed us the sides of) would be available at any point from the aesthetician or fantasia. But they weren't. One was. One wasn't. There was so incredibly little effort, they didn't even check that part.

Have you ever noticed when something is hard, Yoshida spends a little time explaining why it's difficult? Why it is that these things require dedication and time and resources? Have you noticed when these forum topics come up, people don't have to rely on drooling brutes like me to explain software-development issues, and I "get" to spend page after page explaining why it is that this must, from a development standpoint, suck to deal with? That's because when they've done their impact analysis, they tell us.

No effort was made to educate us. No explanation was given. No time was spent researching what the player base wanted.

So mark my words: If there's no more than 60s spent saying "Yeah, we're working on it," and no pictures/prototypes, and no attempt at explaining why this is hard, and what the game plan is?

Woe betide.

-Kelly

Originally Posted by Doc_Seraph

Kupo, climb up past the developer ladder to where the $$ flows if you wish to point blame. kupo <3

I think when people say dev, they include the entire management. Not the workers who probably didn't get a say in the matter (and even worked behind Yoshi-P's back to give us glasses... which tells us a lot about the identity of the man who isn't interested in giving us basic glamour options).