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  1. #221
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    MonteCristo's Avatar
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    Lamonte Cristo
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    Seraph
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    Reaper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Sawamura View Post
    Well it is more harder to climb at crystal rank season 2 during people already know pro and con each job and mostly same people. Lower tier is pretty much same only different high skill people just stomp newbies and lower skill player with new job or new char at there.
    And even worse if you play reaper
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    Death Is Only The Beginning....

  2. #222
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    Silvorin Skycrest
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    Brynhildr
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    Archer Lv 100
    I have no idea how play Sam.
    Whoever though a 'caster' melee would be good need be fired
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  3. #223
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    Anri Khatayin
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    Adamantoise
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Can someone explain to me why ranged jobs have any CC whatsoever? I just can't wrap ahead around the logic that an archetype that plays at range also needs to the ability to bind, silence, heavy or stun melee. Also, why do range magical need gap closers exactly, on top of CCs and shield?
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  4. #224
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    Silvorin Skycrest
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    Brynhildr
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    Archer Lv 100
    For Rdps. Because they need to kite and stay away from melee. Rdps also have the lowest hp next casters. Most if not all melee have a close gap. If Range didn't have cc then they'll be dead a lot more.

    No comment on casters other then rdm. Rdm whole thing is stab stab boom.

    The problem is CC is broken in pvp. Same self healing I feel.
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  5. #225
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    Lamonte Cristo
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    Reaper Lv 100
    Yoshi p just released stats and its official Reaper has the lowest winrate of all melee dps.
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  6. #226
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    Petite Poutine
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    Exodus
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by MonteCristo View Post
    Yoshi p just released stats and its official Reaper has the lowest winrate of all melee dps.
    Only in EU. In NA it's the 3rd highest Melee DPS and it's #1 in both JP and "all regions combined".

    Though, as I said in the W/R statistics thread, we lack vital information as to how they gathered up their data:
    - When was the data gathered?
    - Which ranks are included?
    - What's each job's pick-rate.


    Until we do, do not put too much stock in these stats.

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    Last edited by Petite; 07-30-2022 at 07:16 AM.

  7. #227
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    Llynethil Kindle
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    Balmung
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    Botanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadz View Post
    Can someone explain to me why ranged jobs have any CC whatsoever? I just can't wrap ahead around the logic that an archetype that plays at range also needs to the ability to bind, silence, heavy or stun melee. Also, why do range magical need gap closers exactly, on top of CCs and shield?
    Because all melees have gapclosers with low cd, it's that simple, that and they have better self healing, are tankier and have more damage while also having cc themselves.

    If you take away cc from ranged jobs, you have to remove every single gapcloser from melee to compensate, otherwise noone would ever play a ranged job ever again in pvp.

    Go and play a machinist or a dancer without using cc againt any melee right now, see how far you'll get with that.

    You can go 1v3 as a nin right now, get a kill and still run away with little effort or problems, try going 1v3 as a ranged lol.
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  8. 07-30-2022 07:35 AM
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    Someone is probably going to take this personally.

  9. #228
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    Anri Khatayin
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    Adamantoise
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Dancers don't have CC except for their LB and gap closers for melee barely matter when ranged characters can just run away. The amount of CC needs to be drastically toned down, but ranged shouldn't be sitting off the crystal, pumping out damage and CCing people away from the fight. Even if one melee DPS goes after them, chances are they won't kill them, unless it's a NIN or MNK.
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  10. #229
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    Vatom Basilisk
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    Midgardsormr
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    Samurai Lv 100
    This is your update
    I finally made it to Crystal as of Today
    If you care for opinions or tips lmk
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    Free the Glam!, Duel Pistols (Gunner)?

  11. #230
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    Vatom Basilisk
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    Midgardsormr
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    Samurai Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by SilverSkyway View Post
    I have no idea how play Sam.
    Whoever though a 'caster' melee would be good need be fired
    Though I too dont like sam's design you might want to figure it out first
    who knows might be fun
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    Free the Glam!, Duel Pistols (Gunner)?

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