Melee classes are sad in CC

[Gserpent]

G Serpent.....If you actually played the job extensively the climate of this ENTIRE conversation would be different...we would actually consider what you have to say BUT there is something you lack...credibility. This isnt a complicated conversation or complicated mode by any means we aren't dumb. I don't know what u main but imagine it underperforming severely then someone who hasn't played it once trying to tell u that YOU suck and the job plays just fine...im sorry but u are treading the line of troll at this point and strangely enough i think u might actually be serious and if u are there are bigger issues at hand...respectfully

Except I'm not wrong, dude. That's the entire problem here. I am telling you how RPR works at high skill, how it is a very strong and very effective class at high skill that's been seeing a sharp increase in pick rates on Crystal because of this (second only to MNK, and even then not by much - I literally see MNK and RPR more than NIN now), and you're refusing to accept it because it doesn't jive with your personal experience and because you think I need to have played some arbitrary number of games as RPR to understand how RPR works and plays.

I think part of the issue is that RPR is a playmaker. If you have a team that doesn't focus targets, doesn't switch targets, and is basically off licking windows instead of paying attention... yeah, RPR's gonna feel bad. But those are PEBKAC issues, not issues with the class itself. Some classes are simply better than others at compensating for or carrying bad teammates - and RPR ain't one of them. But that doesn't mean the class is weak, or that it needs much of anything in the way of fixes or buffs, because that would more than likely make them overpowered in high skill games where your teammates *are* executing on the openings you're creating, are focusing properly, etc.

I don't know what rating you've been playing at. But by time you're reaching upper 50 levels of rating, you should start seeing skilled players more often and you'll notice a marked increase in RPR's effectiveness. It's the same with DNC, SCH, and pretty much any other class that operates on setting things up for their teammates to take advantage of.

[Ransu]

Except I'm not wrong, dude. That's the entire problem here. I am telling you how RPR works at high skill, how it is a very strong and very effective class at high skill that's been seeing a sharp increase in pick rates on Crystal because of this (second only to MNK, and even then not by much - I literally see MNK and RPR more than NIN now), and you're refusing to accept it because it doesn't jive with your personal experience and because you think I need to have played some arbitrary number of games as RPR to understand how RPR works and plays.

I think part of the issue is that RPR is a playmaker. If you have a team that doesn't focus targets, doesn't switch targets, and is basically off licking windows instead of paying attention... yeah, RPR's gonna feel bad. But those are PEBKAC issues, not issues with the class itself. Some classes are simply better than others at compensating for or carrying bad teammates - and RPR ain't one of them. But that doesn't mean the class is weak, or that it needs much of anything in the way of fixes or buffs, because that would more than likely make them overpowered in high skill games where your teammates *are* executing on the openings you're creating, are focusing properly, etc.

I don't know what rating you've been playing at. But by time you're reaching upper 50 levels of rating, you should start seeing skilled players more often and you'll notice a marked increase in RPR's effectiveness. It's the same with DNC, SCH, and pretty much any other class that operates on setting things up for their teammates to take advantage of.

Man the level of play on crystal must be really trash lol.

[Gserpent]

Man the level of play on crystal must be really trash lol.

Who knows? I think we can probably assume JP DCs are better than everyone else given that their bottom 100 rating tends to be a *lot* higher than everyone else's (wasn't Mana's like 5500 or something?), but I doubt there's a lot of difference between the different NA and EU DCs. If alts weren't so annoying to create and manage, I'd probably be interested in making a Primal and Aether alt just to see. But it's just way too much time investment for me to be interested in.

[Bloodthrone]

We are going to tell you this again Gserpent PLAY THE DAMN CLASS OR SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!! As I told you before "KNOWLEDGE is NOTHING without EXPERIENCE" everything looks good on paper or on a video until it's put into practice, once you've put it into practice then you will understand. So, you can claim you are right until the sky falls but you will still be insanely unreliable and lack all credibility on the matter.

[MonteCristo]

Sadly the very small exclusive group of top 100 players that include reapers aren't reading this thread. If there are ANY top 100 reapers that see this thread please respond! We lowly reapers suck and don't play the job correct at all so we need further validation for consideration

[MonteCristo]

We are going to tell you this again Gserpent PLAY THE DAMN CLASS OR SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!! As I told you before "KNOWLEDGE is NOTHING without EXPERIENCE" everything looks good on paper or on a video until it's put into practice, once you've put it into practice then you will understand. So, you can claim you are right until the sky falls but you will still be insanely unreliable and lack all credibility on the matter.

I second this...starting to regret how much energy i wasted on his antics. Feel like i fell for the obvious bait smh

[Bloodthrone]

I second this...starting to regret how much energy i wasted on his antics. Feel like i fell for the obvious bait smh

Don't worry you're alone my friend.

[Lustre]

Just ignore that guy, he attempts to derail any pvp discussion with ItS A SkiLL IsSuE and cannot be taken in good faith considering he continues to lecture people on a job he doesnt even play. Anyone would think the dude's on SE PR payroll.

[ShinyChariot]

But what if it is a skill issue? RPR and DNC seems to be the biggest hit or miss jobs for me when I get matched with them on PVP, 90% of the time, it's a miss. I played both for several weeks and I'm playing to their strengths pretty well. The thing is, you can just read the tool tips for the job to understand how it's supposed to work, and after playing it myself and feeling out the relationship it has with other jobs in the ally and enemy team, I can say Gserpent is accurate in describing how it's assumed to work with what you can derive from tooltips.

The LB is very good. Bind, potency, fear, range cast. Barrier that gives HoT which can outheal other healers if used right. It's got so many tools, it's obvious it has a high skill ceiling to play properly. Raw damage isn't everything. Getting CCed is something you're supposed to work around, sometimes you're not supposed to get everything out of a RPR LB. It's different from the other melee, but people are determined to play it like one just because it has a red icon. Like SGE isn't really a healer. You're supposed to have taken the most damage over the match, because you're planning retreats, recouping, and teleporting into battle like a tank. You're supposed to have done insane amounts of healing by using your barrier properly.

Of course all this on top of having a team that works with you.

So if you need some credibility for Gserpent's opinion. Here it is.

[MrSigy]

Reaper is fine tbh same with dragoon.
Reaper LB is extremely underrated in lower brackets, same goes for dancers.

Nin/Mnk are not, they are too strong for how their lb works and they generate it too quickly.
Same goes for whm lb, while sage is suffering with prolly the longest LB charge time in the entire game.