Contradictions, Double Standards, Counterintuitive Design

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

More buttons to press to DPS =/= More total DPS dealt

[Deceptus]

More buttons to press to DPS =/= More total DPS dealt

Without higher damage it just turns into doing more work for the same result which is an issue in itself.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Without higher damage it just turns into doing more work for the same result which is an issue in itself.

Then the answer is to make everything exactly the same. Nothing left out.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for a little bit of damage variance (maybe from 0.1% to 3% or whatever sweet number that is), so long as the whole roster is viable to clear regularly & it only start to matter at the mountain top of speedkill-minmaxing purposes. Right now the best reward to me would be not getting bored out of pressing 1 button as much as melees do their auto-attacks.

[Katoar]

Again, why should healers deal only 40%-60% of the damage a DPS job can do when every type of content can and has been cleared without any healers?

[Silver-Strider]

Again, why should healers deal only 40%-60% of the damage a DPS job can do when every type of content can and has been cleared without any healers?

Because having that level of a safety net while also being able to match the DPS numbers of equally skilled DPS jobs invalidates those other DPS jobs. MCH already has a hard enough time just competing with BRD and DNC as is without suddenly having to worry about a Healer completing taking their job as well. I could understand increasing Healer/Tank DPS numbers to be at least 75% of a DPS job but there needs to at least be enough of a difference to not cause DPS jobs to be invalid as well.

[ThorneDynasty]

Without higher damage it just turns into doing more work for the same result which is an issue in itself.

It's an issue how? If you take a really complex DPS job I like and reduce it to smashing 1-1-1-1 for the same damage, my reaction isn't "awesome! the effort-to-damage ratio for this job is great now!"

[Deceptus]

It's an issue how? If you take a really complex DPS job I like and reduce it to smashing 1-1-1-1 for the same damage, my reaction isn't "awesome! the effort-to-damage ratio for this job is great now!"

Because if one job does 1K dps spamming one button, 30 times a minute and another job does 1K dps pressing 15 buttons 4 times a minute the 2nd job has carpal tunnel for the exact same output.

More effort is supposed to reward with more dps. That's pretty much the standard. High APM jobs are supposed to do high damage. It's like the old DRK's. Every other action was [DARK ARTS!] and it just got old REALLY fast.

[ThorneDynasty]

Because if one job does 1K dps spamming one button, 30 times a minute and another job does 1K dps pressing 15 buttons 4 times a minute the 2nd job has carpal tunnel for the exact same output.

More effort is supposed to reward with more dps. That's pretty much the standard. High APM jobs are supposed to do high damage. It's like the old DRK's. Every other action was [DARK ARTS!] and it just got old REALLY fast.

That's not how the game has been balanced since ever. And even if you did feel the need to apply damage boost to the "complex" DPS healer, it wouldn't need to be more than the usual couple percent compared to the simplest healer, which is not an issue at all. People really don't care as long as the bar on fflogs looks slightly longer.

[QooEr]

I mean if MCH and melees did the same DPS why would you ever bring a melee, in its current form MCH only competes with BRD and DNC and that tends to work well even if melee get uptime way too easily

the difference still shouldnt be so stark anyways. if they cut the gap between pranged and melee+blm to 1/3 it would be fine