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  1. #11
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    Coletergeist's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa View Post
    No. There is zero scaling under a certain player number based on my experiences. It likely scales to a minimum number (maybe around 10), but lower than that and it just becomes effectively undoable. The damage we were doing in my attempt today, even with lost actions, was almost nonexistent.
    Ah, well...
    I wouldn't say undoable, more difficult probably, but not undoable. Lost actions would make it easier, but you're allergic to those.

    Quote Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa View Post
    Even if we did clear it it would likely take an obscene amount of time.
    I mean, if you want to get it done, just take the time to do it and get it out of the way, even if it takes the entire time allowed in there.
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  2. #12
    Player YukikoKurosawa's Avatar
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    Yukiko Kurosawa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Padudu View Post
    I did it well past when it was relevant, did it with about 4 people one time, 6 people the next. It's doable but you must use lost actions or else it won't be. You might have to sit in PF for a bit, or try discord - there's more than likely a discord centered around Eureka/Bozja on Primal where you can find people to party up with you.
    "With 4-6 people"

    I specifically mentioned never getting more than 2.

    "Use Discord"

    No.

    "It absolutely scales"

    Does not appear to with only 2-3 players, or if it does it does horrendously as the first boss has ludicruous amounts of hitpoints and does insane dmg.

    If it's doable it not within reason.
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  3. #13
    Player YukikoKurosawa's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coletergeist View Post
    I mean, if you want to get it done, just take the time to do it and get it out of the way, even if it takes the entire time allowed in there.
    "Bro just waste a massive chunk of your time on something incredibly badly balanced and unfun"

    How about I just go do something else with my time instead and abandon this stupid quest and forget it even exists?
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  4. #14
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    Asuka Kirai
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    Quote Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa View Post
    Ok go do it with just 1 other person, record it, than post it here. You won't do that because you've never done it, you did it with a full 48man party when it was relevant, it's just advice you heard someone else say and are just mindlessly echoing.



    I literally said I used party finder, or rather attempted to, in my OP, to no avail.
    Yes, and me doing it whilst it was relevant led to me having 56min runs on average versus 12-15 minute runs on average when people elect to actually engage and interact with all the available systems to help with making a run smoother. I suppose using essences totally didn't result in a run being over 4-5 times as fast as traditional ones. There's a perfectly good reason why people elected to go for pre-made versus dealing with people that couldn't be bothered.

    Furthermore, for your information, I have done this expansion with 5 players, and none of them were using offensive essences. Including myself which led to an approx. 58-minute run. You're right though, I won't do it, and nor will I record it because I have better things to waste my time on than wait for the off-chance of getting a small enough group just to prove someone on the Official Forums wrong, most especially when they clearly don't want to bother engaging in the systems that actually make runs faster and more feasible.
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  5. #15
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    Cin Aamon
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    Quote Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa View Post
    "Bro just waste a massive chunk of your time on something incredibly badly balanced and unfun"

    How about I just go do something else with my time instead?
    I mean, yeah? Why don't you then?
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  6. #16
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    Padudu Moro
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    Quote Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa View Post
    "With 4-6 people"

    I specifically mentioned never getting more than 2.

    "Use Discord"

    No.
    You can still do it with 3 people lol. Use your lost actions and learn the mechs.

    You keep coming back here to complain about this, you get plenty of advice to clear it, I've had FC mates who's cleared it with just 2 other people or 4 altogether.

    Also, yes, it does scale. Again, learn mechs. It's not impossible, just difficult. They are a bit tanky, but not hard to put down.

    Also, idk what to tell you then other than you're just here to complain about this yet again lol, it's like you do everything possible to not solve your situation.
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  7. #17
    Player YukikoKurosawa's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurhz View Post
    Yes, and me doing it whilst it was relevant led to me having 56min runs on average versus 12-15 minute runs on average when people elect to actually engage and interact with all the available systems to help with making a run smoother.

    Furthermore, for your information, I have done this expansion with 5 players, and none of them were using offensive essences. Including myself which led to an approx. 58-minute run. You're right though, I won't do it, and nor will I record it because I have better things to waste my time on than wait for the off-chance of getting a small enough group just to prove someone on the Official Forums wrong, most especially when they clearly don't want to bother engaging in the systems that actually make runs faster and more feasible.
    I specifically said 2-3 players (including myself). You and the rest keep mentioning twice if not more. Which is curious. Almost as if you don't want to concede that I am right about 2-3 people not being enough to clear it within reason. I see exactly what you're doing and it's not going to work.

    "I did it while it was relevant but I've done it with 5 people with no lost actions, but I won't confirm or deny doing it with only 1 or 2 people. Also I won't go and prove it lol I don't have to".

    Ok bye.

    "You don't even use lost actions"

    I repeatedly said I did, even in my OP. Please read what I actually type.
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  8. #18
    Player YukikoKurosawa's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Padudu View Post
    You can still do it with 3 people lol. Use your lost actions and learn the mechs.

    You keep coming back here to complain about this, you get plenty of advice to clear it, I've had FC mates who's cleared it with just 2 other people or 4 altogether.

    Also, yes, it does scale. Again, learn mechs. It's not impossible, just difficult. They are a bit tanky, but not hard to put down.

    Also, idk what to tell you then other than you're just here to complain about this yet again lol, it's like you do everything possible to not solve your situation.
    There's what you say and then there's the reality I actually experienced ingame.

    If it's doable the amount of time and effort is not within reason. And it doesn't help that most of the people who I join with via que just abandon instantly citing "not enough ppl to do this ".

    I also said there are no party finder groups for this on my server and my attempts to start my own have not gone anywhere, somethhing people in this thread ALSO did not read me say. I am starting to think some of you are delibrately misinterpeting my words to claim false righteousness over me rather than admit I have a point that contradicts the viewpoint you are trying to force.

    In other words, a bad faith argument.

    How about this: mention "lost actions" or "it's doable with 2 people" or "use discord" and I will just put you on my blacklist. I will not respond to anyone making these arguments going forward. Come up with a new argument, prove that it's doable (within reason) yourself, concede that I'm right about this being something that needs serious changing, or stop responding to me. I'm not wasting my time arguing bad faith talking points anymore.
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    Last edited by YukikoKurosawa; 06-15-2022 at 05:26 AM.

  9. #19
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    Yet another thread huh?

    In all seriousness why are you playing the game?
    The game seems to really upset you a lot to an unhealthy degree.
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  10. #20
    Player Padudu's Avatar
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    Padudu Moro
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    Btw, factually this is just wrong. Here you go, some people doing DR solo:

    like this guy

    and another one

    There are others out there, but I'm too lazy to search any more than that lol. Which LAs are you using? If you're using them, all I can think of is maybe not the ones to help you efficiently clear the bosses.

    Quote Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa View Post
    There's what you say and then there's the reality I actually experienced ingame.

    If it's doable the amount of time and effort is not within reason. And it doesn't help that most of the people who I join with via que just abandon instantly citing "not enough ppl to do this ".

    I also said there are no party finder groups for this on my server and my attempts to start my own have not gone anywhere, somethhing people in this thread ALSO did not read me say. I am starting to think some of you are delibrately misinterpeting my words to claim false righteousness over me rather than admit I have a point that contradicts the viewpoint you are trying to force.

    In other words, a bad faith argument.

    How about this: mention "lost actions" or "it's doable with 2 people" or "use discord" and I will just put you on my blacklist. I will not respond to anyone making these arguments going forward. Come up with a new argument, prove that it's doable (within reason) yourself, concede that I'm right about this being something that needs serious changing, or stop responding to me. I'm not wasting my time arguing bad faith talking points anymore.
    How long have you had the PF up for, and during primetimes? It's just weird that everything you've done and 0 people are willing to do it at all, after all these weeks since your last post about this lol.
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