Botting on the marketboard. Impossible to sell anything.

[UkcsAlias]

SE does nothing because there is no reason to do anything. It's a player engaging in free market activity.

Botting is disruptive and against the EULA, there is a reason to do something! The free market part is completely irrelevant at that. Especialy since the botting behaviour is disrupting the playing experience of others.

Its more likely that the cost/gain aspect of fighting botting isnt profitable enough.

[Jojoya]

Botting is disruptive and against the EULA, there is a reason to do something! The free market part is completely irrelevant at that. Especialy since the botting behaviour is disrupting the playing experience of others.

Its more likely that the cost/gain aspect of fighting botting isnt profitable enough.

Maybe stop taking my comments out of context?

The player I was replying to was talking about player monopolies in general and that's what I was addressing. There is nothing in the ToS saying that player monopolies on the marketboard are against the ToS.

Is that particular player the poster was referring to botting? I don't have a clue. You don't have to bot to get a monopoly. You just need a lot of gil. I suspect 90% of us posting in this thread have enough gil to gain control over a select few items on the marketboard if we had the interest in doing so and we haven't had to resort to botting to get that gil.

[Prrringles]

Comon guys. I am making this number up but I am pretty sure that over 75% of the "players" selling most items on the market board use bots or are part of a RMT group. And this is all because SE has such a weak and outdated way of dealing with it. "File a report on a website".... rofl. Most people already check out when they read to need to go over to a website to file a report... GM's have absolutely zero power. I reported a player for having obscene retainer names and it took a full 2 months to take action. SE is holding on to this outdated way of doing business like they are to their beloved fax machines in Japan. Stubborn.

I am not a Blizzard fanboy but at least GM's in WoW act fast and have absolutely no mercy (at least when I used to play). Meanwhile many crafters/marketboard enthusiasts are getting rekt without end by bots/rmt since Shadowbringers.

And to the guy saying that LIGHT is controlled by 1 player for glamour items -- it's a bot. Same guy also posts items over on CHAOS. Same old rmt folks. Crafting/gathering gear for all levels is controlled by rmt. Latest battle gear is controlled by rmt. Salable mounts/minions/bardings are controlled by rmt. I can go on.

I have said this a million times before but I will say it one more time. SE is either completely incompetent OR they just benefit too much from said folks and look the other way on purpose. Probably both.

[Fandele]

I'll race someone to the bottom every time, usually cutting by 10-20% each time, 2-3 times a day. Just to ditch my inventory at whatever price and get the heck out of that market and into something else with less competition.

[Rock-Star]

Same on Moogle. The name of the one on Louisoix starts with an "R" right? Filed a huge report again last week including all the bots on the Chaos data center. They are so easy to find.

I disagree, the ones that are the newest are adapting their game to be less detectible even although it's obvious enough, they are rotating their alts and fc masters, buying houses for their fc's, they don't seem to go there unless to reset the timers on its demolition, and I'm betting they already have replacements in place just in case. (probably because they have seen online rants and forums on how they are being detected to avoid constant reporting).

Because the base items are also being farmed over both dc's by a different kind of gil farmer, I try to only buy the items priced around theirs by what looks like legit players to tank the suspected bot on the server I'm currently playing on. (items I was already crafting previously before they showed up) my current prices aren't high but I have them at the price that keeps theirs off the board. I'm probably only hitting a very small % of it, and I'm only selling on 1 server so if my stuff goes elsewhere its not me selling it.

I think someone (credit to their earlier post) suggested here a limit to listing, adjusting, and or removing listings for a set period of time on the marketboard, this could be a step in the right direction to interrupt their progress and would allow real players to have their items in contention for a better period of time, and if u could identify the bots patterns and activity times you could wait till they update theirs then go update yours to lock them out....for a little while at least.

This would probably hinder their operations the most and would make it less attractive as a side hustle...

....unfortunately getting SE's attention is another problem.

[Prrringles]

I think someone (credit to their earlier post) suggested here a limit to listing, adjusting, and or removing listings for a set period of time on the marketboard, this could be a step in the right direction to interrupt their progress and would allow real players to have their items in contention for a better period of time, and if u could identify the bots patterns and activity times you could wait till they update theirs then go update yours to lock them out....for a little while at least.

This would probably hinder their operations the most and would make it less attractive as a side hustle...

Yes great idea. This would lock me, you or any other player out as well. What if I post 50 items and someone else just updates their prices 1min after mine? It is not OUR job to contest bots -- we basically pay SE for this. Their bot "rotation" shenanigans do nothing. I still know who they are all day long. They only problem is SE not listening to reports, period.

If SE would ever implement a system like you suggested, remind me to get into the barding/weapon glamour business. Sounds like a fun time.

[Kuroka]

They still should limit it.... if you craft 50x whatever and sell it, fine, if you craft/gather stuff 20x1-999 and sell it on several retainers AND adept prices every minute for everything... that should hit a limit fast.

[Rock-Star]

Yes great idea. This would lock me, you or any other player out as well. What if I post 50 items and someone else just updates their prices 1min after mine

Thats not really seeing the advantages of it tbh, since the craft bots usually only have a single item listed of each thing they sell at any one time, u could bait it with one item then if they undercut you then just lock it out with another. Tbh almost all my stuff is listed in pairs using 2 different retainers, but this is because if one item sells it gives me time to relist one before they can increase their price to earn more for RMT's.

So if a strategy like this was ever introduced it could work for that also. And it would also allow you to list for higher prices without theirs constantly being the top result. This would be especially beneficial for new crafters working through their recipe logs.

Regardless of the Pros and Cons of the system, getting SE to implement any system will be a bigger miracle. Much like the housing changes.... And maybe not everyone will agree but that was a disaster. SE knows of the problem but will they help.... Probably not but we can hope.

[Rock-Star]

remind me to get into the barding/weapon glamour business. Sounds like a fun time.

After I transfered from Moogle there probably isn't much competition other than the bots we know of, You should do them, the material prices are reasonable as well from what I see, especially with another update coming up... There might even be some new ones. Or gear, I dunno if any of that has been released yet.

As for Fun, probably the same as anything else, Personally I think the competition is way more rewarding than the gil, If your playing against actual players that is.

[Prrringles]

I am not a fan of limitations. SE should just get off their behinds and start banning more bots/rmt rings. Every serious crafter/seller knows who the bots/rmt are. There have been enough reports from myself alone to round them all up in one go. This is a SE problem, not a game system problem. I don't think there ever will be a solution as long as SE is pretending everything is peachy. Look at all the topics about bot/rmt in this forum and how old they are. Nothing happened... nothing (oh wait, some of them got TEMPORARY suspensions, what a joke). This is just us shouting into the all consuming void that is SE.