What if Intervention/HoC/TBN got the Nascent Flash/Glint treatment?

[DanielNegreanu_Adamantoise]

Nascent Flash&Glint really the #1 thing about why its so good is that as a warrior you aren't losing everything beneficial to yourself just for using your 25s mit on an ally. Really the most important part of BW applies to self as well with NS.

For Paladin, what if Intervention gave the pld Knights Resolve as well?

If HoC gave Catharsis of Corundum to the gnb as well?

If TBN simply shielded both your ally and the drk?

The durability of the pld/gnb/drk doesn't increase, nor does the self-healing over time. It would simply be...

The Nascent Flash Treatment

please

[dapperfaffer]

what if there wasn't such a distinct difference between toolkits effectiveness?

[Launched]

Not every job needs to be the same.

[Crater]

I like that, for the most part, each job's equivalent skill has unique benefits as regards this kind of thing.

Warrior gets to double up on the healing if they use Nascent Flash instead of just Bloodwhetting.
Paladin's skills are on the gauge so they can choose between using both Sheltron and Intervention, or treating Sheltron as a 2-stack skill, etc.
Dark Knight gets a significantly lower cooldown on its main skill than the others, plus the ability to use its level 82 function separately from the main skill and as a 2-stack skill.

It's really just Gunbreaker that doesn't get any unique traits to play with, other than being able to pass Brutal Shell when you use it on someone else. It would be nice if they got something fun in that area too, although you could make a credible argument that DRK and GNB, as the two 'offensive' tanks, should have drawbacks in that regard (GNB by not having auxiliary perks like these, DRK by having relatively lower power on a per-use basis of its skills).

[Amenara]

It feels so weird trying to make this argument since all the tanks have different kits when it comes to protecting/healing other players. I am not a fan of homogenizing all of the tank abilities to be the same, even moreso when you consider PLD and GNB have methods of healing other players outside of using their defensive CD, so they can get the full benefit of the buff on themselves while at the same time healing other players. DRK is the oddball because of their lack of healing other party members, but I suppose the benefit is they get an offensive oGCD for using it properly and have a shorter CD on it, not to say I agree or disagree with TBNs design in the current iteration of tank CDs.

[Shurrikhan]

If TBN simply shielded both your ally and the drk?

The durability of the pld/gnb/drk doesn't increase, nor does the self-healing over time.

No, unless the potency of each effect were halved, that would absolutely increase the caster's durability so long as it would take damage, much like Nascent Flash doubles the most significant component of Bloodwhetting's effect so long as neither the caster nor target would be overhealed.

The same goes for your other twice-granted effects suggested. I'd rather nerf Nascent Flash to heal only the ally, transferring only overhealing back to the Warrior, than have to buff each tank's on-demand to match its excess value. Granted, I don't think either needs to happen.

what if there wasn't such a distinct difference between toolkits effectiveness?

A single skill is not a toolkit. Jobs need not have direct A|B|C|D comparison and parity for each and every skill, only parity across their whole kits.

[Argyle_Darkheart]

Imagine wanting the tanks to be even more similar.

[Rongway]

Really they should

1. Delete Intervention and make Sheltron party-targetable after 62.
2. Delete Raw Intuition and Bloodwhetting. Grant Nascent Flash at Lv56 as a self-target only. Expand it to party-targetable at 76.

Intervention and Nascent Flash are literally non-self versions of Sheltron and Bloodwhetting. Just make them the same button.

[Renathras]

Nascent Flash&Glint really the #1 thing about why its so good...

Isn't the community generally opposed to homogenizing Jobs? And...isn't that what this would be?

Honestly, I prefer HoC in that it's one ability so I don't have to worry about using a separate button like I do on WAR and PLD. But I don't see it worth having issue with since the differences are what make the tanks unique.

EDIT: And keep in mind that GNB has Aurora for that anyway (the healing)

[Shurrikhan]

EDIT: And keep in mind that GNB has Aurora for that anyway (the healing)

What does Aurora have to do with a comparison of on-demands?

Moreover, if we were to look at self-healing in total, PLD does 5879 free healing potency per minute via Holy Shelltron and Requiescat, up from GNB's 3360 via HoC and Aurora, while even in ST WAR can put out 7960 healing+shielding atop a further 13.3% of its HP per average minute. We don't talk about DRK.