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    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    As for the arr to shb thing.....8 year difference and one set extra is what they can come up with?
    I'm not sure what numbers you are adding from my post.

    10 unique models in ARR tome sets vs 15 in Shadowbringers is not "one more".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    While it's a good chart overall, though I find the layout confusing to read, I think you've missed some things and it doesn't tell the full story, especially in Heavensward.

    You've marked the Sohm Al weapon as unique when actually weapons from that series are all recycled from a scattering of sources, including weapons wielded by monsters and ARR crafted sets. The Foolkiller axe specifically is from the giants around Red Rim in central Coerthas.

    And while it's true that the Woad and Sharlayan sets are unique in that they hadn't been seen before, they are extremely low on their model variety. There is only one Woad body piece model across all seven roles, essentially one pair of pants in seven variants, two models for shoes and gloves and three-and-a-half hats. Sharlayan has exactly one design for all seven roles, only different hats, and still some are repeats.

    Again in Stormblood, the Shisui and Nomad sets are basically two core designs mixed-and-matched across seven roles.

    Shadowbringers' Dwarven and Endwalker's Palaka sets are also low variety like this.

    Another thing to factor in is how many weapons and job-specific gearsets they need to build per series, since the number of jobs has gone up with each expansion. That could be eating up some of their time for making new gear models.
    I agree that some sets are more alike in the same tier than others, which is something I've written in the description. The thing with Shisui gear is then that it's very different gear for male and female. If we compare this to the Imperial set that was released, it's near same for male/female, but only 2 base sets with minor variations (casters having cape vs. non on scouting+striking).
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    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    If you’re going to use the lore excuse(which is a horrible one btw) then please tell me why we got winter/snow themed sets from an undersea desert dungeon. Please explain.
    You speak of a desert, so I'm disregarding this. The lore excuse is solid, unlike you're knowledge of climates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deveryn View Post
    You speak of a desert, so I'm disregarding this. The lore excuse is solid, unlike you're knowledge of climates.
    Mistyped, but what does it matter? Tell me again how a winter/snow themed gearset is lore accurate with an undersea dungeon. Now you’re just evading the question lol. Also if you’re going to try and insult someone’s intelligence, at least know proper grammar. It’s your in this case, not you’re.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    Mistyped, but what does it matter? Tell me again how a winter/snow themed gearset is lore accurate with an undersea dungeon. Now you’re just evading the question lol. Also if you’re going to try and insult someone’s intelligence, at least know proper grammar. It’s your in this case, not you’re.
    Mistyped? It actually does matter.

    At any rate, do yourself a favor and look up fashions from India. That's where Thavnair gains its inspiration from.
    You should also check to see where the dungeon actually lies, up in Ilsabard, where it's a cooler climate.

    Everything makes sense if you make the effort to look and see what's going on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deveryn View Post
    Mistyped? It actually does matter.

    At any rate, do yourself a favor and look up fashions from India. That's where Thavnair gains its inspiration from.
    You should also check to see where the dungeon actually lies, up in Ilsabard, where it's a cooler climate.

    Everything makes sense if you make the effort to look and see what's going on.
    uhuh okay…. and the sharlayan sets in the Anamnesis dungeon make sense how exactly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deveryn View Post
    You should also check to see where the dungeon actually lies, up in Ilsabard, where it's a cooler climate.
    Tropical Thavnair itself is also "in Ilsabard", at least according to our teleport list, and the ruins are in the Bounty which is the sea south of Ilsabard and west of Thavnair. The dungeon is also specifically a Thavnairian treasure vault.

    I am also confused as to why we are getting wintery fur-lined costumes from it. If there are specific Indian designs that they are based on, I would appreciate learning the context because I wouldn't know where to start looking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    uhuh okay…. and the sharlayan sets in the Anamnesis dungeon make sense how exactly?
    You're in a mirror world. next
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kisshu View Post
    I agree that some sets are more alike in the same tier than others, which is something I've written in the description. The thing with Shisui gear is then that it's very different gear for male and female. If we compare this to the Imperial set that was released, it's near same for male/female, but only 2 base sets with minor variations (casters having cape vs. non on scouting+striking).
    I did forget about Shisui having gender differences, although that reminds me that they also used the Shisui designs as seasonal gear, so it's not unique.

    (A pity they didn't include the gloves and hairpins in the dyeable seasonal version, though.)


    Edit: On further thought, the Shisui gear is essentially ONE model per gender, except that some of them have the full model and some have parts of it (sleeves, drapes, etc) removed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deveryn View Post
    You're in a mirror world. next
    But sharlayan doesn’t exist there. Also, yes like Iscah said, the ruins we go to are south of Ilsabard, and it’s thavnairian, so please explain.
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