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    Welcome to game development, where existing models are often redressed or retextured to save time, money and client-side processing, the later especially crucial for an online game with many hundreds or even potentially thousands of models on screen at once - having every model unique slows things down as the computer has to 'draw' every one individually, where as reusing a common model means it just has to copy the model the required number of times and simply change the texture as required, saving a lot of processing time and power.

    Also the blasphemy models are actually more or less the same ones we saw earlier in ShB (aka Amaurot) which makes perfect sense lore wise. They do add unique models, but even from the beginning a number of enemies were actually designs from other FF games as fanservice, so that's another reason for 'recycled' models (the trash mobs in the second world visited in the Dead Ends for instance, are actually retextured enemies from FFXIII).

    As for gear appearence recycling, again, this is normal, the same basic model will often be used by multiple pieces of gear with differeing textures (in FFXI this was particularly common), and has been the way since... 1.0, so again there is the way things are actually done. Yes it's nice to see new designs, but they're always going to reuse similiar designs for gear with new names and textures as time goes on out of pragmatism.
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    Last edited by Enkidoh; 06-12-2022 at 02:04 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rannie View Post
    Aaaaannnd now I just had a mental image of Lahabrea walking into a store called Bodies R Us and trying on different humans.... >.<

    Lahabrea: hn too tall... tooo short.... Juuuuuust right.
    Venat was right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enkidoh View Post
    Welcome to game development, where existing models are often redressed or retextured to save time, money and client-side processing, the later especially crucial for an online game with many hundreds or even potentially thousands of models on screen at once - having every model unique slows things down as the computer has to 'draw' every one individually, where as reusing a common model means it just has to copy the model the required number of times and simply change the texture as required, saving a lot of processing time and power.

    Also the blasphemy models are actually more or less the same ones we saw earlier in ShB (aka Amaurot) which makes perfect sense lore wise. They do add unique models, but even from the beginning a number of enemies were actually designs from other FF games as fanservice, so that's another reason for 'recycled' models (the trash mobs in the second world visited in the Dead Ends for instance, are actually retextured enemies from FFXIII).

    As for gear appearence recycling, again, this is normal, the same basic model will often be used by multiple pieces of gear with differeing textures (in FFXI this was particularly common), and has been the way since... 1.0, so again there is the way things are actually done. Yes it's nice to see new designs, but they're always going to reuse similiar designs for gear with new names and textures as time goes on out of pragmatism.
    None of this is an excuse.

    They're reasons. But not excuses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa View Post
    None of this is an excuse.

    They're reasons. But not excuses.
    Sounds like you just like complaining for complainings sake. Show me an MMO that doesn't reuse models.
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    Adorable creatures with unacceptable features!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saimeren View Post
    Sounds like you just like complaining for complainings sake. Show me an MMO that doesn't reuse models.
    Not an argument
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    Quote Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa View Post
    None of this is an excuse.

    They're reasons. But not excuses.
    You are right. But it is what it is. Reusing lowers the development costs. That is the reason why they do it.

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa View Post
    None of this is an excuse.

    They're reasons. But not excuses.
    Reasons are even better than excuses.
    No excuses are needed in this case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa View Post
    None of this is an excuse.

    They're reasons. But not excuses.
    They're a reality of game development.

    I often see people flip the hell out when it's revealed that game devs for a game have re-used the skeleton for a model too.
    This is why most game devs won't take non-devs opinions and views seriously on this, if you think this is a problem and somehow a new thing or in any way says anything about the FFXIV devs then you clearly don't know a single thing and have absolutely no insight about game development.

    The gear appearance imo I can kinda understand a little, but it's not much of it we're talking about a handful.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saimeren View Post
    Sounds like you just like complaining for complainings sake. Show me an MMO that doesn't reuse models.
    This person has like over 50 threads that are ALL negative and have only been posting since Dec last year.
    That should tell you something lol.
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