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    Sage's skill Pepsis is useless

    To SE: The Sage skill Pepsis is completely useless, I can't understand why one would want to instantly remove a shield effect that's already just applied for a healing effect with a weak potency equivalent to that of Medica. What's the point of making it compatible with Diagnosis then? and making nobody else receive the extra heal effect that this skill brings? "Pepsis Dodge"? lol what a joke.

    In order for this Pepsis skill to work, the Eukrasia shield effect must still be present, which means you have to press a 3 button sequence (Eukrasia > Prognosis or Diagnosis > Pepsis) for a light effect aoe or target heal.

    I can see that you guys are trying too hard to avoid making a copycat skill of Scholar's Indomitability, Astro's Horoscope, or White Mage's Plenary Indulgence. But this useless hybrid of a new skill called Pepsis just isn't realistic anywhere, not only in dungeon but also in casual raid. Like I said, why cancel a shield effect just freshly applied just to throw in a heal?

    My suggestion to fix this skill and make it relevant is now is to eliminate the Eukrasian shield requirement for Pepsis to work. Thank you for reading.
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    Cyrillo Rongway
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    It works fine for what it's intended for, which is burst AoE healing after a party-wide critical health check, in which case you don't want the shield because the shield isn't going to prevent the next mechanic from killing everyone who isn't healed to full anyway.
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    Yeah, aside from those few HP-to-1 attacks, it doesn't seem to have much use right now, what with all the other raw healing abilities.
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    Deviously Enchanted
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    Quote Originally Posted by RemTsuki View Post
    To SE: The Sage skill Pepsis is completely useless, I can't understand why one would want to instantly remove a shield effect that's already just applied for a healing effect with a weak potency equivalent to that of Medica. What's the point of making it compatible with Diagnosis then? and making nobody else receive the extra heal effect that this skill brings? "Pepsis Dodge"? lol what a joke.

    In order for this Pepsis skill to work, the Eukrasia shield effect must still be present, which means you have to press a 3 button sequence (Eukrasia > Prognosis or Diagnosis > Pepsis) for a light effect aoe or target heal.

    I can see that you guys are trying too hard to avoid making a copycat skill of Scholar's Indomitability, Astro's Horoscope, or White Mage's Plenary Indulgence. But this useless hybrid of a new skill called Pepsis just isn't realistic anywhere, not only in dungeon but also in casual raid. Like I said, why cancel a shield effect just freshly applied just to throw in a heal?

    My suggestion to fix this skill and make it relevant is now is to eliminate the Eukrasian shield requirement for Pepsis to work. Thank you for reading.
    It's literally just Emergency Tactics but different, you get the conversion after the application vs before the application. It works the exact same way Emergency Tactics works and serves the same purpose and then some.
    If you haven't found its use it's because you don't do any content that requires you to rise to the occasion.

    For the most part you're going to be using Pepis in the weave window provided from the GCD shield prior to it. Also the heal is bigger than the shield every time unless crit so saying it's weak is just saying the shield is weak.
    There will be moments when you would've survived if you used euk prog pepsis vs euk prog + prog simply because of the potency difference and because it's faster healing even though the GCDs stay the same.

    Last but not least it functions simply as a swift cast prognosis.
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    Last edited by Nethereal; 06-12-2022 at 07:54 AM.

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    The problem ISN'T healers rotation is busted or boring...

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    Z'nnah Silverbane
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    Quote Originally Posted by RemTsuki View Post
    To SE: The Sage skill Pepsis is completely useless, I can't understand why one would want to instantly remove a shield effect that's already just applied for a healing effect with a weak potency equivalent to that of Medica.
    Eukrasia -> Ixochole -> Prognosis -> Eukrasia -> Pepsis -> Prognosis does 950 potency AoE healing and tops it off with a shield, all in 2 GCDs but with no channeling, so you can keep doing the mechanics (i.e. not get yourself killed) as you do it.

    I've used this sequence to pull parties that went south back from the brink quite a few times.

    Prognosis - Ixochole - Prognosis does 50 more healing potency, but restricts your motion and doesn't leave a shield.
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    It's not useless, but it is fairly bad, yes.

    It's an extra 150 over just using plain Prognosis, so if your goal is to solo heal the party to high health (say your co-heal is dead and things are messy) in addition to being shielded before the next raidwide, it has a use. But it's still a highly situational, measly 150 aoe potency on a 30 sec cooldown.

    I'm not a fan of bloating hotbar space with "might be useful in rare situations once a month or so" buttons. Healer as a role has far too many of those and Pepsis is simply another one.
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    it's useful when i have a garbage party and i've already wasted literally every other heal keeping them alive. could it be better? yeah. maybe stronger or something or provide a regen but useless? far from it.

    i'm sorry if it eats into your precious green DPS time. consider playing a rez mage.
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    Last edited by Denji; 06-12-2022 at 09:40 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RemTsuki View Post
    To SE: The Sage skill Pepsis is completely useless, I can't understand why one would want to instantly remove a shield effect that's already just applied for a healing effect with a weak potency equivalent to that of Medica.
    It's not useless, it's not perfect, but it has a place. The SGE version of SCH's "Emergency Tactics" spell.

    Can be used in Heal-checks when everyone's health is so low we will wipe. 1 GCD for the euk+2 OGCD for the shield+pepsis with no adders used. So it is fast and buys us time.

    And also, another time I use it, which is sadly sometimes needed although it shouldn't be: You are in low level content and have melee DPS eating far too much damage. You are out of 'galls and a hardcast heal is just too long.
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    Last edited by Shibi; 06-12-2022 at 10:28 AM. Reason: (posting when drinking, must stop that, heh)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denji View Post
    it's useful when i have a garbage party and i've already wasted literally every other heal keeping them alive. could it be better? yeah. maybe stronger or something or provide a regen but useless? far from it.

    i'm sorry if it eats into your precious green DPS time. consider playing a rez mage.
    They mentioned literally nothing about DPS, you okay dude?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denji View Post
    i'm sorry if it eats into your precious green DPS time. consider playing a rez mage.
    God I fucking wish healing was actually difficult enough to actually eat into the GCD spam even once per duty. Alas unless you luck into a total sprout party most your heals are just sitting there off cooldown doing nothing while the party stays firmly topped off the entire time.
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