Paladins Invuln Capping in Onsal Hakkar

[Esmoire]

I was hoping this would be fixed... Hopefully 6.2?

[Gserpent]

Considering SE has said they think it's a creative use of mechanics, I think you're getting your hopes up about it being changed at all. Maybe if the JP players raise a stink about it?

[Mandudez]

Considering SE has said they think it's a creative use of mechanics, I think you're getting your hopes up about it being changed at all. Maybe if the JP players raise a stink about it?

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-making-claims

It's been an accepted bug for over two months now.

[Cabalabob]

It’s really not that hard to counter it. Just knockback/draw in. If they guard, it only lasts 5 seconds, wait for it to wear off and knock them back.

Sure not every job has a knockback/draw in, but it’s not that big of an ask to have one of a MNK/MCH/DRK with a 20-30 second recast ability at the ready to counter the very specific requirements of 2 co-ordinated PLDs using both their LBs and a 25s recast ability.

[Genz]

Considering SE has said they think it's a creative use of mechanics, I think you're getting your hopes up about it being changed at all. Maybe if the JP players raise a stink about it?

I think (hope) it's just a creative way to say they're not going to warn/ban players for this, and to not flood the GM with it.

but the only creative thing here is transforming a PvP map into a PvE sidequest. It's seriously worrying if they think it's ok.
(well, their leniency with leeches and griefers is already worrying)

It’s really not that hard to counter it. Just knockback/draw in. If they guard, it only lasts 5 seconds, wait for it to wear off and knock them back.

Sure not every job has a knockback/draw in, but it’s not that big of an ask to have one of a MNK/MCH/DRK with a 20-30 second recast ability at the ready to counter the very specific requirements of 2 co-ordinated PLDs using both their LBs and a 25s recast ability.

Sch/Smn stacking isn't hard to counter blablablabla

also I think Mnk, Mch, Drk want to play Mnk, Mch and Drk, not the anti-stupid-gimmick gimmick.

[Cai]

Please fix this, I've had three matches in Onsal Hakair on the Crystal data-center tonight that have been entirely determined by which team had someone paired with a Paladin to capture the ovoos and because of the damage reduction added to tanks and melee DPS in 6.18 it's much harder to kill them before they get close enough to do this. For all the fun that patch 6.1 brought back to PVP, this is now killing it and making frontlines unenjoyable.

[Khala]

I had multiple matches this last rotation through Onsal Hakkar (I've been away and unable to reply until now) and after dealing with paladins in every single match, on points that they literally are the only two of their team there, and then lose match after match to paladin cheese, I'm done playing the mode.

It feels awful to be playing a class I have fun on and know that the only way my team can win is if I learn some job I don't enjoy in pvp to specifically counter a move that may not be a cheat, but sure feels like one. So, not only do people need to play a certain class, they cannot even really participate other than as pld counter offensive move.

Yes, it's creative. So is most any cheat or hack. Fixing a bad mechanic working in a way that wasn't necessarily intended isn't stifling some budding artists' creative endeavor.

If you make people feel cheated and all-around negative about a mode, the less they participate. The less people participate, the more people complain about PVP being dead because the df refuses to pop. So on and so forth and numbers dwindle and that's not what anyone wants.

The reason we come here and bring these issues up is because we hope to be able to avoid that. I like PVP actually. I'd like to continue participating but I do this for fun and to relax. If that isn't going to be the goal for this map that's fine, I don't need to play it.

[Deccado]

I had multiple matches this last rotation through Onsal Hakkar (I've been away and unable to reply until now) and after dealing with paladins in every single match, on points that they literally are the only two of their team there, and then lose match after match to paladin cheese, I'm done playing the mode.

This pretty much sums up my feelings.

I didn't think it was a big issue when it first started happening, however I have not played much in Onsal Hakkar recently, until this rotation.

Having played 15+ matches in the past 24 hours though, it seems obvious that this tactic has become much more widely known, as almost every S rank and a fair majority of the A ranks I have been at have been taken using this tactic.

I found that it didn't really matter whether you were on a team who were using this tactic or not as far as reducing the fun factor, as it either gives one team an advantage that is unlikely to be overcome through normal play, or in the case of multiple teams using the tactic, it just becomes a race to see which teams Paladins get to it first.

Either way, had I not had yesterday already set aside for frontlines, I would not have played so many matches, and will likely be avoiding Onsal Hakkar for the foreseeable future, as it just wasn't much fun, even when on the winning team.

[Garten]

This remainded me of the Kobayashi Maru xD

[SilverSkyway]

Bad cheese. Please throw away the cheese.