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    Arazehl's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by XiaoShengwu View Post
    So you're going to make a negative response to someone sharing their success story, in an attempt to make them feel bad about finally accomplishing something? shame on you.
    Avoidy does have a valid point too. It is a bandaid for the real issues. Sure lottery is better of the two evils, but it's not even close to touching the underlying issue with housing. I feel the OP came to gloat just a wee bit to the naysayers when it comes to FFA vs Lottery. Which is also a shame because they are just that small 1% of success stories that are out there currently, when there's still thousands still trying to land a house themselves and are being pushed out because of availability. Nothing shameful in pointing out that lottery vs FFA is not the real issue, because it's obvious what is the issue. Sorry you don't get it.
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    Chadhadai Oronir
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arazehl View Post
    Avoidy does have a valid point too. It is a bandaid for the real issues. Sure lottery is better of the two evils, but it's not even close to touching the underlying issue with housing. I feel the OP came to gloat just a wee bit to the naysayers when it comes to FFA vs Lottery. Which is also a shame because they are just that small 1% of success stories that are out there currently, when there's still thousands still trying to land a house themselves and are being pushed out because of availability. Nothing shameful in pointing out that lottery vs FFA is not the real issue, because it's obvious what is the issue. Sorry you don't get it.
    Thank you. Really rustles my jimmies that this guy didn't even read the rest of my post, which was quite constructive.
    I'm posting here under the (probably faulty) assumption that sooner or later someone who can affect change in this game will read this section and take player feedback into account. The lottery system is terrible. The system before it was also terrible. A lot of people have already pointed these things out. But if someone's literally going to make a new thread that's just like "I think this system is fine because I won," then I think it's necessary to point out the obvious counterbalance so nobody important reads this thread and thinks people are okay with things as they currently stand. As for OP's feelings, I'd assume she wouldn't mind being told that other people had to lose, since she ventured into a forum full of losers to boast about winning in the first place. She's probably too busy having fun with her new house to care about what I post anyway.

    People literally ignore the substance of a post and zoom in on the dumbest stuff, it boggles my mind. More wards. More communication. This is what I want. This is what a lot of other people want too. Okay bye now.
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    NorthernLadMSP's Avatar
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    Adore Mi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arazehl View Post
    Avoidy does have a valid point too. It is a bandaid for the real issues. Sure lottery is better of the two evils, but it's not even close to touching the underlying issue with housing. I feel the OP came to gloat just a wee bit to the naysayers when it comes to FFA vs Lottery. Which is also a shame because they are just that small 1% of success stories that are out there currently, when there's still thousands still trying to land a house themselves and are being pushed out because of availability. Nothing shameful in pointing out that lottery vs FFA is not the real issue, because it's obvious what is the issue. Sorry you don't get it.
    I have a house and have had one for years and years, so I don't have a horse in this race. But, I agree with you. I see it all the time. People come to gloat that their positive/success story should automatically invalidate everyone else who hasn't had good luck, or has legit complaints. "Well, it was good for me, therefore, it's a wonderful system."
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    Player : フェアリーのミラプリも作ってるんですか?
    (Any plan on Fairies glamour?)
    Yoshi'p Sampo: フェアリーはエギではないので、予定がないです。残念ながら。
    (Since Fairies aren't Egi so, No.)

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    MaeveHatesHousing's Avatar
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    Maeve Kirkland
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    Quote Originally Posted by XiaoShengwu View Post
    So you're going to make a negative response to someone sharing their success story, in an attempt to make them feel bad about finally accomplishing something? shame on you.
    they should feel bad.

    their win comes at the cost of vastly more people losing out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaeveHatesHousing View Post
    they should feel bad.

    their win comes at the cost of vastly more people losing out.
    You must be a crazy Karen in real life if you act this way in a forum. You sound like you'd fit right into a lot of those subreddit Entitled People/I Don't Work Here stories.

    No player should feel bad for winning the lottery. SE should feel bad that a lottery is even necessary because they will not fix the supply problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaeveHatesHousing View Post
    they should feel bad.
    I recall, during ye olde days when we had placard clicking, when we lost I (and many others) would cheer the winner (after checking they had stopped clicking). We could cheer, and clap, and pop realm reborn red, we would songbird, and more. Quite a few times I would drop half a million gil on the winner as a housewarming gift if they had been doing the rounds with me.

    A lot of my friendslist comes from the time I spent at the placard, winners who had spent weeks or months with me on property after property who consequentially won and were very happy.

    I would feel happy for their win, even though I just did 2 to 4 hours of prime time clicking and was tired and grumpy and cursing the system and having a sore wrist.

    Why should anyone feel bad that an RNG roll chose them? Be it a mount or minion in an ex, gear they need in a savage, or a house in the lottery.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    No player should feel bad for winning the lottery. SE should feel bad that a lottery is even necessary because they will not fix the supply problem.
    Yep.

    The system has been broken for years. Lottery - by it's nature of being low effort - has made the cracks easier to see. And we need to keep pushing SE to sit down and fix it for people.
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    Last edited by Shibi; 06-12-2022 at 09:26 AM.
    やはり、お前は……笑顔が……イイ

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    I think it's pretty sad personally that many people were excited for Ishgard and a new housing district only to find that only 25 percent of the wards were allocated private and that only 24 wards were added with no new wards added anywhere else. Not that it would have solved the problem but a minimum of 30 wards per housing district would have helped the supply a bit.

    I also think the FC allocation/split and the decision to go with FC only wards was a mistake. FC purchases have been abused for so long and still are and the current restrictions are only enabling the creating of solo FC's in order to get a house which defeats the entire purpose or intent of what a FC is about in my view. Given that decision enabling ward divisions should have applied to the first lottery or two and not what will probably be in effect until 6.2 hits. By then most if not all housing will be gone.

    One can hope with the addition of new servers for data center expansion we'll also see a boost to the number of wards everywhere. A statement of what to expect with housing should at the least be communicated when it comes to how they are going to deal with the supply. They have to have some concrete numbers now as to how many people want housing. When 288+ people bid on a small in Balmung in round 3 that says something and this is only going to get worse. One person won that house but 287 people lost.
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    Last edited by LaylaTsarra; 06-10-2022 at 05:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra View Post
    A statement of what to expect with housing should at the least be communicated when it comes to how they are going to deal with the supply.
    As there will be zero FCs on the new servers I think it will follow the same, now established pattern.

    90 or so days with zero housing, all cities locked out - including the housing area unlock quests.

    Then 1-18 for FC purchases for a scant few more than 4 cycles to give FCs a chance to form, grind to 6, and buy a house.

    We don't know the upper limit yet on FC weighted cycles for a new server, but on Materia (like everyone really) it's been three with the fourth coming and no talk of rebalancing yet.

    I think this will continue for JP/NA/EU new servers too.
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    Last edited by Shibi; 06-10-2022 at 05:06 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PredatoryCatgirl View Post
    I refused to placard spam because I didn't want to bot and didn't want to spend 8 hours of my life in this game not actually playing it. I was never going to get a personal under the old system. I got one under this one.

    No, lottery doesn't solve the supply problem, but its a godsend for anyone who actually has a life outside this game. Its a much smaller turd sandwich than the old system, and I thank SE for implementing it.
    To be fair: people who have no lives outside this game are more likely actually going to maximize their use of acquiring a house. If SquareEnix was doing the equivalent of dangling a crack pipe over an addict's head, you just did the equivalent of grabbing that pipe, then smashing it and laughing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Macleod View Post
    I'd rather camp a placard. I've lost 3 lotteries on medium houses, and I haven't checked yet, but there's probably none left now in any of the areas' personal wards. Every lottery cycle that goes by gets worse and worse, as fewer and fewer houses are available, and more and more people bidding on the smaller number of what's left.
    I just checked the districts. 11 small houses available - assuming no one else claims houses (and the one I lost the roll on still hasn't been claimed).
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    Khara Relanah
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    Quote Originally Posted by ijuakos_xqwzts View Post
    To be fair: people who have no lives outside this game are more likely actually going to maximize their use of acquiring a house. If SquareEnix was doing the equivalent of dangling a crack pipe over an addict's head, you just did the equivalent of grabbing that pipe, then smashing it and laughing..
    No, I did the equivariant of grabbing that pipe, taking a few puffs, and then putting it in my pocket. And if it really is a crack pipe, I'd be doing them a favor. If we're going to make gross false equivalencies here, lets at least portray them accurately.
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