Hrothgar Feedback Thread

[Karowolus]

All your previous posts have done is bring what we've already seen to the thread. And trust me, we don't want to see it anymore because it's just platitudes at this point. It's not true. We don't believe a word you say and the more you repeat it the more it irritates us. Because it's people like you who actively slow development of stuff like this and derail conversations. With this, please return the thread to the original point of discussion. The female hrothgar thread is https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...our-support%21 Here. Please kindly use this as a space to discuss female hrothgar and possibilities for what may happen, as well as design aesthetics. Do not use the thread that has been put together by someone who actually wants to see a change in the mindset of the devs and actually see change now; to derail a conversation, either intentionally or unintentionally.

You won't change our minds. We want Fem!Hroth as much as you do. But we want changes now for male hrothgar so female hrothgar don't suffer from the same issues as we do.

2/2

[Gullis]

Have my support! was absolutely devastated by the april 1st hair reveal. more hair was funnily enough one of the key points I was looking forward to the most for EW, and this is what we got

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

You won't change our minds. We want Fem!Hroth as much as you do. But we want changes now for male hrothgar so female hrothgar don't suffer from the same issues as we do.

We all want the same thing.
Changes and fixes to Hrothgar, now, and in the future.

Ive made absolutely no defense that the Devs have or can do no wrong. Stop Creating Lies. Its not a defense of the devs to consider factors that we can/cannot verify.
Its cute you wanna get mad at me for just mentioning Female Hrothgar and say Im derailing the thread when I have contributed...loosely, that I believe we will hopefully see fixes in the future. That future being as soon as possible, but maybe its further out towards FemHroths.

You dont have to believe Anything I say.....Im not even trying to convince any of you of anything that Ive said. Just offering thoughts, discussion.
Nothing I said Slows production, for Christ sake I haven't even disagreed with anything said, except the idea "The devs hate Hrothgar" and "Its a Million Dollar Company so no excuse"
I have not ONCE disagreed about quality.
Again, we are on the same side here.
I might be spouting Hopieum, but that does NOT mean I dont want to see fixes sooner rather then later, or that I disagree with you or any of your points.

But yknow what, I agree...this is becoming a Massive Derailment, and yes it was very much Unintentional.
A hill got turned into a mountain for no reason over my post. And we can easily end this, by dropping it here and now.

I am here, in support of Hrothgar as a Whole.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Know what...just so I dont leave here again not contributing to the conversation, and instead just artificially inflating the thread with a nonsense argument that didnt need to happen.
Let me just go ahead and add. Should also prove how much I do care about this topic.

I have a Hrothgar ALT Character. He is Mostly an RPC but I do like to replay content with him in a new skin. I love this game enough to pay extra and do that. Besides just wanting to play a Female Hrothgar, I also have not just simply Fantasia'd to a Male Hrothgar, because of lack of Customization.
Dont get me wrong, I love the Hrothgar, and I love seeing them around as much as I do, which proves the idea wrong that Nobody Plays them.

But as much as I dont harp on it, the Hair situation is pretty bad. Why IS it taking so long to develop new hairs? And when you finally do add new Hair, its just Premade Hair that is already in the game...and not even done well. It looks pretty goofy on the Hrothgar, and as much as I laugh and giggle at the claim "Oh the ears are just hidden under the hair" sorry no...I do think its abit lazy. I honestly would have preferred No new hair yet, instead of old hair not even done correctly to include the ears.
Perhaps there is a technical reason...sure. But please get it figured out before posting new hair.
I can forgive that alot of headgear wont fit the Hrothgar head, but I cant excuse and look away from poorly done hairstyles.
Also, I was very upset and disappointed there was no "Unique Hair" developed. It was said the Hrothgar would get their own unique hairstyles. I was expecting to see that, not lazily reused hair. It would probly be a much better route to make these unique Hairs that would fit the hrothgar head better, and would include the ears.
Im not depressed or losing hope over this...yet. But if the Proper time and care can't be put into this, then how can I trust you wont eventually get just as lazy with everything else.

[Midareyukki]

Nothing I said Slows production, for Christ sake I haven't even disagreed with anything said, except the idea "The devs hate Hrothgar" and "Its a Million Dollar Company so no excuse"

First and Foremost, at no point did anyone say the devs hate Hrothgar. Get your head out of that mindset, otherwise you truly are delusional.

Then, the "Million Dollar company" thing might not be an excuse for you, but the mere fact that they can allocate resources for this topic in general and haven't is problematic. Be it because they have the money, the 3D know-how, anything. This is a major studio doing this game, not your dinky old attic studio. I'd be saying the same if it were Blizzard, Ubisoft, EA, Nintendo, whatever. It's not a small amateur dev team with no resources. It's a team made up of professionals with access to resources for a rather old game, whose leader is involved in his company's board of directors.
Say what you will about the "excuse", but at least keep it real.

Finally, you're exhasperated, yet not only did you ignore everything I wrote and started making up crap, you're also ignoring what everyone else has written as well. Then you accuse people of making up lies? How dare you.

Worse still is your ridiculous clamour for Female Hrothgar in this thread of all places. Nothing against having them, but how do you expect to get Female Hrothgar if the dev team isn't operating with their head in the game?
It won't be a package deal, quit thinking that.
Every game, every piece of software, is done with months of planning in advance. Stuff being laid out and discussed and approved in advance.
So if this was established to happen, how did it get done with such low quality and poor effort?

So please actually read the posts. As well as keeping the thread for what it is: feedback on the current state of Hrothgar so the future isn't more of the same. So that we don't get Female Hrothgar in poor conditions. And so that the males, which are already in the game, don't have to spend three more years of being in the dump.

I know I have zero control over this, but this isn't about sparking discussion. It's about PROVIDING FEEDBACK. And we've seen what trying to make discussion will lead us: derailment. Page upon page on discussing GW2 character chests...

IDK, you guys tell me. Am I wrong in trying to show SE that the community does have somewhere where feedback is provided to them and they can both understand how we feel, prepare for the future and understand why the reaction wasn't as they desired?

Was this thread a mistake?

Because I don't care if you have a Hrothgar alt or main. If you understand the situation regardless of race or gender and want the devs to prepare better for the future, then that's what matters.

[Midareyukki]

Please keep this thread for feedback.

This is a thread so people who
- Play Hrothgar (Main or Alt)
- Empathize with Hrothgar players
- Understand the situation and understand something must be done about it
can voice their opinion on this matter and direct it for the development team so they can reassess their stance on the situation and work for a better future.

I do invite people to give feedback, but please, keep it grounded, keep it realistic (don't demand unrealistic things, as stated in the first post, because there are limitations we may not be aware of), and please, keep it on topic.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Was this thread a mistake?

No.
Now dont make it one by battling with me.
Ive added to the conversation as a person with a Hrothgar Alt.
Moving on.

[Gullis]

Hrothgar NPCs find gruesome fates (such as being eaten alive by a hound, or descriptions on Dabog). Though visceral fates have been a part of the MSQ, they were never this graphic, with violence this gratuitous. This harsh tone permeates Bozja.

Out of curiosity where does this happen?

[Akimori]

- The Warrior of Light's failure to save them, despite Delubrum's story being tied to us finding a cure for Tempering in the MSQ, which we must clear to access DR.
Hrothgar NPCs find gruesome fates (such as being eaten alive by a hound, or descriptions on Dabog). Though visceral fates have been a part of the MSQ, they were never this graphic, with violence this gratuitous. This harsh tone permeates Bozja.

I remember all hrothgar deaths and the one about the hound doesn't ring a bell. When did that one happen o-o?

We also had 1 "female hroth" death off screen, magnus's wife who people are theorizing to be storg. But you are right about the deaths. We get plenty of them in XIV, but I dont think any of them have been nearly as gruesome as Hrothgar's (Ahewan's death aside....and tesleen). If another race is killed, either they're killed quickly in an almost painless fashion or its implied, off screen that they were killed

NGL, I dont exactly remember the death about the hrothgar being eaten alive by a hound. Was that in

[Chie_M]

I remember all hrothgar deaths and the one about the hound doesn't ring a bell. When did that one happen o-o?

We also had 1 "female hroth" death off screen, magnus's wife who people are theorizing to be storg. But you are right about the deaths. We get plenty of them in XIV, but I dont think any of them have been nearly as gruesome as Hrothgar's (Ahewan's death aside....and tesleen). If another race is killed, either they're killed quickly in an almost painless fashion or its implied, off screen that they were killed

NGL, I dont exactly remember the death about the hrothgar being eaten alive by a hound. Was that in

Valens van Varro was exceptionally graphic and had gruesome sound effects, to boot. I utterly adore Hrothgar, but this argument is grasping a bit and ultimately detracts from the overall criticism of the race.