Hrothgar Feedback Thread

[Midareyukki]

Please keep this thread for feedback.

This is a thread so people who
- Play Hrothgar (Main or Alt)
- Empathize with Hrothgar players
- Understand the situation and understand something must be done about it
can voice their opinion on this matter and direct it for the development team so they can reassess their stance on the situation and work for a better future.

I do invite people to give feedback, but please, keep it grounded, keep it realistic (don't demand unrealistic things, as stated in the first post, because there are limitations we may not be aware of), and please, keep it on topic.

[Gullis]

Have my support! was absolutely devastated by the april 1st hair reveal. more hair was funnily enough one of the key points I was looking forward to the most for EW, and this is what we got

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Know what...just so I dont leave here again not contributing to the conversation, and instead just artificially inflating the thread with a nonsense argument that didnt need to happen.
Let me just go ahead and add. Should also prove how much I do care about this topic.

I have a Hrothgar ALT Character. He is Mostly an RPC but I do like to replay content with him in a new skin. I love this game enough to pay extra and do that. Besides just wanting to play a Female Hrothgar, I also have not just simply Fantasia'd to a Male Hrothgar, because of lack of Customization.
Dont get me wrong, I love the Hrothgar, and I love seeing them around as much as I do, which proves the idea wrong that Nobody Plays them.

But as much as I dont harp on it, the Hair situation is pretty bad. Why IS it taking so long to develop new hairs? And when you finally do add new Hair, its just Premade Hair that is already in the game...and not even done well. It looks pretty goofy on the Hrothgar, and as much as I laugh and giggle at the claim "Oh the ears are just hidden under the hair" sorry no...I do think its abit lazy. I honestly would have preferred No new hair yet, instead of old hair not even done correctly to include the ears.
Perhaps there is a technical reason...sure. But please get it figured out before posting new hair.
I can forgive that alot of headgear wont fit the Hrothgar head, but I cant excuse and look away from poorly done hairstyles.
Also, I was very upset and disappointed there was no "Unique Hair" developed. It was said the Hrothgar would get their own unique hairstyles. I was expecting to see that, not lazily reused hair. It would probly be a much better route to make these unique Hairs that would fit the hrothgar head better, and would include the ears.
Im not depressed or losing hope over this...yet. But if the Proper time and care can't be put into this, then how can I trust you wont eventually get just as lazy with everything else.

[GrimGale]

While I am not particularly upset about the lack of hairstyles (Not to say our limited options isn't upsetting, considering the amount of unlockable customization options that are out of reach for hrothgar players), what bothers me most is the lack of headgear available.

Iconic job head pieces would be the bare minimum. Relic gear would be the bare minium and yet Hrothgar cannot wear red mage hats, black mage hats or mortarbards.

[Midareyukki]

To Akimori (and others):

This is the Skirmish I was referring to. I spawned it and recorded it myself after 1h in Zadnor. It's "An End to Atrocities", and though it's not the only Skirmish to feature a little animated dialogue like that, it is the one I'm referring to. You have others, such as the one due East of it, where Gilbrisbert turns people into Archaeodaemons.

I got a detail wrong though. One of the eaten is a Hyur. Honourary Hrothgar :P

Regardless, you guys take this information, as well as the existence of the animation dialogue in the Gilbrisbert Skirmish, however you see fit. I won't go back and add the note that Hrothgar get "gratuitous violence aimed at them" even with this. Especially since not everyone agrees it should be featured.

It's really just so you guys at least now know what I'm talking about.

[Gullis]

To Akimori (and others):

This is the Skirmish I was referring to. I spawned it and recorded it myself after 1h in Zadnor. It's "An End to Atrocities", and though it's not the only Skirmish to feature a little animated dialogue like that, it is the one I'm referring to. You have others, such as the one due East of it, where Gilbrisbert turns people into Archaeodaemons.

I got a detail wrong though. One of the eaten is a Hyur. Honourary Hrothgar :P

Regardless, you guys take this information, as well as the existence of the animation dialogue in the Gilbrisbert Skirmish, however you see fit. I won't go back and add the note that Hrothgar get "gratuitous violence aimed at them" even with this. Especially since not everyone agrees it should be featured.

It's really just so you guys at least now know what I'm talking about.

Thats some effort from your part ^^

Although Its a bit hard to see, aren't those Roegadyns? seems to me they got no tails, and I don't think Hroths can even use those helmets

Again, its a bit hard to see

[Midareyukki]

Thats some effort from your part ^^

Although Its a bit hard to see, aren't those Roegadyns? seems to me they got no tails, and I don't think Hroths can even use those helmets

Again, its a bit hard to see

Me and a friend spawned the Skirmish again on Zadnor. We took a closer look at the NPCs.



They are indeed two green-skinned Seawolf Roegadyn.

I was wrong. Again, I apologize. I recorded the Skirmish so people who weren't familiar with it could be aware that there is such a sequence in Zadnor. But "An End to Atrocities" does not involve any Hrothgar. That was a misunderstanding from my part.

[Nav_Blue]

It goes against my better judgment to offer an opinion online of all places, but my capacity for concern over the past couple of weeks has been shot so here goes something. Who knows, maybe I can offer a new perspective and solution as a Hrothgar main (and frankly exclusive).

With regard to the horrifying ways Hrothgar meet their end throughout the Save the Queen questline, I honestly appreciate it. The story as a whole made me intensely proud to play as a Hrothgar. I know, it's a direct contrast to the loudest voices in this thread, but allow me to explain.

By comparison to the liberations of Eorzea, Doma, Ala Mhigo, and to an extent Werlyt, Bozja's was depicted as easily the hariest, if you'll pardon the pun. We fought the deadliest beasts Garlemald could find. We fought death machines of immense destructive power. We fought voidsent, lucavi, and undead. We fought our own false goddess and the brothers and sisters she turned against us. We fought some of the most vile scientific experiments the Garleans could come up with. We even fought Diablos riding around in an Ultima styled Allagan Weapon.

The IVth Legion threw so much at us that after the revolution they simply couldn't hold onto Dalmasca or Nanxia. Yet we still won.

For this reason and more, I'd like to see the devs lean into this. I want to see a New Bozja of whom her neighbors are secretly terrified, because they were only ever conquered by Allag and Garlemald. I'd like to see new fur patterns, facial features, and even hair styles that showcase the most grizzly battle scars in the Three Great Continents, because they've shown that while they know exactly what death is, they are no more afraid of it. I'd even like to see new gear sets that convey Bajsaljen's vow to apply what the Resistance had learned from the IVth Legion.

I love that with Hrothgar, we were shown to be a warrior race, rather than just told. I hope this gives the devs better feedback than "just pay more attention to us" and that this perspective may just soften the blow of how they've ignored us in the past. I don't plan on responding to reactions to this post, but if my two cents have made a difference I can be content.

[Midareyukki]

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One thing I'd like to add is that even before, while Zadnor was still fresh content, most of my friends weren't Hrothgar players. Many had never even touched the race. But an overall feeling that they expressed was that Bozja did seem to feel more realistic. That we got to see the actual struggles they had gone through, and thanks to that, some of them managed to empathize with their plight. It being so brutal ended up serving the race and giving it credit once they managed to bounce back and reclaim their territory in the end. Like Nav_Blue said, there is pride to gain from Bozja's story if we care enough about our characters to explore it. And it shouldn't be discredited.

It was only after Zadnor that I got more involved with a predominantly-Hrothgar playerbase and found that people felt Bozja as a whole was a little too dark and visceral for what it already was. Though many attribute this to the change in writer: Yasumi Matsuno is NOTORIOUS for his dark and apathetic stories that don't shy away from showing you that cruelty is real. It's what tends to make them memorable. A criticism of this was that there was a tonal shift from the rest of the game, with side-content being more brutal than the MSQ actually had been overall. But it's what we get with different writers altogether: the same happened from Stormblood (warzones) to Shadowbringers (existential dread).

I personally feel like it's a mixed bag. I wouldn't have qualms with the way Hrothgar were portrayed had the race been treated fairly thus far. It just felt like it was compounding onto the situation, as no other form of content thus far had been so predominantly and consistently dark. But the comment has since been deleted, so at least I hope it's now more fair for Square Enix to assess the situation without unnecessary extras.

Still. I'm sorry to have derailed this conversation to a Bozja discussion xD

Keep giving feedback on the race overall, if possible. And I hope Square does at least look into what we say.

[Terin]

I suppose I'll just add, with the name "Hrothgar", I'd really hoped to see a bit more Norse influence. I'd really dig having an option for a more "Canine" looking face. I also wish they stood taller and a bit more lean, like Kimahri from FFX. I know they aren't EXACTLY the same, but I have a hard time distinguishing them from Roegadyn(s?).

I almost feel like I'd be super stoked if they just added another "Clan" for them, one with Canine features, and their bodies a LITTLE less beefy (muscular, but leaner).