Hrothgar Feedback Thread

[Kolsykol]

you can blame the straight dudes back in the day for that lmao.

back in the day, the og female tauren and trolls looked a lot more like what one would imagine... and the nerds rioted and cried how they can't jerk to it. i'm not even joking. so blizz desu-fied them and made them far far more feminine.

I am pretty sure that's not true and that you're just imagining things.
I also fail to see why femininity is a bad thing.

Tbh I think the updated graphics in WoW moreso '' Disney-fied '' all of the races, they actually look more cartoony to me than they used to.
I dunno wtf this has to do with '' straight dudes '' either this is just all so unnecessary and adds absolutely nothing at all to the conversation and is ultimately just a whole lot of assumptions about who wants what and why.

I can't speak to GW2, but as a former female Tauren (yes, I'm expecting people to have a mental breakdown at the WoW talk too lmao), part of the reason they're so off-putting is that they give off major dairy heifer / breeding sow vibes. The males look like bulls, which is great - it suits a hero, an adventurer. But the design of the females leans too heavily into farmyard tropes for female cattle, and makes them look like docile barnyard creatures. It was hard to find an adequate transmog to make my Druid look fierce - so much so that I mostly stayed in kitty form.

Anyway, I guess I'm concerned SE is going to do to Hrothgar what Blizz did to Tauren. I'm worried we'll end up with catgirls and hirsute catgirls.

I played a female Tauren Shaman, I just liked their casting animations lol.
Imo I think their new models are okay but I do think their old ones looked quite derpy and a bit off.
I wished their horns were bigger especially.

[Denji]

I am pretty sure that's not true and that you're just imagining things.
I also fail to see why femininity is a bad thing.

Tbh I think the updated graphics in WoW moreso '' Disney-fied '' all of the races, they actually look more cartoony to me than they used to.
I dunno wtf this has to do with '' straight dudes '' either this is just all so unnecessary and adds absolutely nothing at all to the conversation and is ultimately just a whole lot of assumptions about who wants what and why.



I played a female Tauren Shaman, I just liked their casting animations lol.
Imo I think their new models are okay but I do think their old ones looked quite derpy and a bit off.
I wished their horns were bigger especially.

Wanna bet? They didn't "disney-fy". It was bimbofication.

[Knot_D]

Even more annoying is how a lot of hats that would work perfectly fine but just... don't work. The behemoth helm for example doesn't work. Why? ... No reason. It just doesn't. Because screw you.

Behemoth helm not works for Hrothgar because it has visor mode to show face. Old gear helmet works on Hrothgar if it does not show face at all...

[Soge01]

Having booba on a female beast character helps better identify them as being indeed female. That, and a bit of curve, slenderness and shorter stature.

The female Tauren in WoW are easily identifiable, even from a distance because of their feminine appearance.

I only wish the female Worgen actually looked a bit closer to their male counterparts. Too soft looking for my tastes. Prefer them to be more feral looking.

I expect the female Hrothgar to use the female Roegydan model with some slight alterations. Maybe they'll be a bit skinnier than the Fem Roe or their muscle might be more visible with an optional slight hunch.

Depending on what the devs do, I may make one.

[Avidria]

Having booba on a female beast character helps better identify them as being indeed female. That, and a bit of curve, slenderness and shorter stature.

The female Tauren in WoW are easily identifiable, even from a distance because of their feminine appearance.

I only wish the female Worgen actually looked a bit closer to their male counterparts. Too soft looking for my tastes. Prefer them to be more feral looking.

I expect the female Hrothgar to use the female Roegydan model with some slight alterations. Maybe they'll be a bit skinnier than the Fem Roe or their muscle might be more visible with an optional slight hunch.

Depending on what the devs do, I may make one.

Well hey, at least female worgen look less like feral Chihuahuas now! That's a plus I guess (agree though they could have been way cooler than they are)

Anyway yeah +1 for undoing the frankly bizarre choices that went into developing Hrothgar

[Karowolus]

This is exactly why I want Female Hrothgar myself.
I want to play a "cool" Beastgirl. As much as I love my FemRoe and my Male Hrothgar beastman, I want to play a Female Beastman.
Nothing to do with anything other then I think it would be cool, and fun. No shortage of pretty human-looking characters. I want to be part of the Niche crowd of Non-humans.

Ok, Firstly.

The entire point of this thread is to put more emphasis on HROTHGAR now. Not for in 2 years time when we Hopefully get female hrothgar or the graphical update. This is for attention to be brought to the issues at hand now. This is something we have waited 3 years for.

3 Years. Being basically ignored all the while. This thread is EXCLUSIVELY to talk about feedback for the now. Not for the future changes, for now. Be it saying 'These Hairstyles are Garbage', or saying what it seems like to us. If to us, it looks like the devs are being lazy or just outright uncaring about the race they put into the game, we're allowed to state what we think about it. That's what a forum is for. A forum is for discussion. But bringing in other things which OP specifically stated that he doesn't want within this thread is just derailing the subject entirely. It can already be seen. This thread which was supposed to be for 'Hrothgar Feedback' has derailed into 'Female hrothgar discussion, which it isn't for at all. If you wish to discuss female hrothgar. Then go to the female hrothgar thread. It's there for a reason.

This thread is for providing feedback for what we have now. As I stated in the previous paragraph. If your post isn't regarding the now, or is to come to the defense of the Devs. Trust me.

We don't want to hear the tripe that we've been hearing for 3 years from another person. We've had it with this mindless defense as if the devs can do nothing wrong. We've seen the devs do wrong. We've seen them screw up SIMPLE things, multiple times. Like getting the stats wrong on augmented gear. Adding in more materia melds to a gearpiece that shouldn't have it. Etc. That can be defended as something that could be a line of code being wrong.

But this? This is just full blown ignorance of quality. In what world would any of those hairstyles look remotely good on hrothgar. Why do hairstyles that for Miqo'te. Have their ears visible. But for Hrothgar, they're hidden because... I guess our ears are attached to our head like they... Y'know should be? Just let it clip. The game is already a clipfest of tails through capes, weapons through limbs and hair through models. Where's the harm in letting hrothgar ears clip through their hair?

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[Karowolus]

All your previous posts have done is bring what we've already seen to the thread. And trust me, we don't want to see it anymore because it's just platitudes at this point. It's not true. We don't believe a word you say and the more you repeat it the more it irritates us. Because it's people like you who actively slow development of stuff like this and derail conversations. With this, please return the thread to the original point of discussion. The female hrothgar thread is https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...our-support%21 Here. Please kindly use this as a space to discuss female hrothgar and possibilities for what may happen, as well as design aesthetics. Do not use the thread that has been put together by someone who actually wants to see a change in the mindset of the devs and actually see change now; to derail a conversation, either intentionally or unintentionally.

You won't change our minds. We want Fem!Hroth as much as you do. But we want changes now for male hrothgar so female hrothgar don't suffer from the same issues as we do.

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[Zanarkand-Ronso]

You won't change our minds. We want Fem!Hroth as much as you do. But we want changes now for male hrothgar so female hrothgar don't suffer from the same issues as we do.

We all want the same thing.
Changes and fixes to Hrothgar, now, and in the future.

Ive made absolutely no defense that the Devs have or can do no wrong. Stop Creating Lies. Its not a defense of the devs to consider factors that we can/cannot verify.
Its cute you wanna get mad at me for just mentioning Female Hrothgar and say Im derailing the thread when I have contributed...loosely, that I believe we will hopefully see fixes in the future. That future being as soon as possible, but maybe its further out towards FemHroths.

You dont have to believe Anything I say.....Im not even trying to convince any of you of anything that Ive said. Just offering thoughts, discussion.
Nothing I said Slows production, for Christ sake I haven't even disagreed with anything said, except the idea "The devs hate Hrothgar" and "Its a Million Dollar Company so no excuse"
I have not ONCE disagreed about quality.
Again, we are on the same side here.
I might be spouting Hopieum, but that does NOT mean I dont want to see fixes sooner rather then later, or that I disagree with you or any of your points.

But yknow what, I agree...this is becoming a Massive Derailment, and yes it was very much Unintentional.
A hill got turned into a mountain for no reason over my post. And we can easily end this, by dropping it here and now.

I am here, in support of Hrothgar as a Whole.

[Midareyukki]

Nothing I said Slows production, for Christ sake I haven't even disagreed with anything said, except the idea "The devs hate Hrothgar" and "Its a Million Dollar Company so no excuse"

First and Foremost, at no point did anyone say the devs hate Hrothgar. Get your head out of that mindset, otherwise you truly are delusional.

Then, the "Million Dollar company" thing might not be an excuse for you, but the mere fact that they can allocate resources for this topic in general and haven't is problematic. Be it because they have the money, the 3D know-how, anything. This is a major studio doing this game, not your dinky old attic studio. I'd be saying the same if it were Blizzard, Ubisoft, EA, Nintendo, whatever. It's not a small amateur dev team with no resources. It's a team made up of professionals with access to resources for a rather old game, whose leader is involved in his company's board of directors.
Say what you will about the "excuse", but at least keep it real.

Finally, you're exhasperated, yet not only did you ignore everything I wrote and started making up crap, you're also ignoring what everyone else has written as well. Then you accuse people of making up lies? How dare you.

Worse still is your ridiculous clamour for Female Hrothgar in this thread of all places. Nothing against having them, but how do you expect to get Female Hrothgar if the dev team isn't operating with their head in the game?
It won't be a package deal, quit thinking that.
Every game, every piece of software, is done with months of planning in advance. Stuff being laid out and discussed and approved in advance.
So if this was established to happen, how did it get done with such low quality and poor effort?

So please actually read the posts. As well as keeping the thread for what it is: feedback on the current state of Hrothgar so the future isn't more of the same. So that we don't get Female Hrothgar in poor conditions. And so that the males, which are already in the game, don't have to spend three more years of being in the dump.

I know I have zero control over this, but this isn't about sparking discussion. It's about PROVIDING FEEDBACK. And we've seen what trying to make discussion will lead us: derailment. Page upon page on discussing GW2 character chests...

IDK, you guys tell me. Am I wrong in trying to show SE that the community does have somewhere where feedback is provided to them and they can both understand how we feel, prepare for the future and understand why the reaction wasn't as they desired?

Was this thread a mistake?

Because I don't care if you have a Hrothgar alt or main. If you understand the situation regardless of race or gender and want the devs to prepare better for the future, then that's what matters.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Was this thread a mistake?

No.
Now dont make it one by battling with me.
Ive added to the conversation as a person with a Hrothgar Alt.
Moving on.