Hrothgar Feedback Thread

[nebby00]

+1 from me as well. Seeing Hrothgar in this state is disappointing, as they're far worse off than Viera. I fanta'd to one multiple times across different alts but immediately switched back because even if the Hrothgar look cool, their customization is extremely lacking compared to Viera at this point in time. If Male Hrothgar are getting this many problems with their current customization options, it does make me worry how they're going to implement their female counterparts.

Hrothgar deserve better, and the hairstyles they had given them do not fit whatsoever. Racial hairstyles or options that actually fit Hrothgar would be greatly preferred over what they got, as well as the fact that they chopped off their ears just to cut corners is just unacceptable. I understand at the very least that the devs have a lot of things to juggle, but the decision to cut off Hrothgar ears is just still baffling to me.

Two hairstyles that I hope Hrothgar get (preferably with ears not chopped off) would be Wind Caller and Styled for Hire. Those two from the old hairstyles that we have now are more fitting than any other hairstyle we have in game and would fit them nicely. Plus, I'm sure a lot of Hrothgar players would like at least having those two options just to give a step in the right direction as to what would suit them.

[D6Damager]

All valid points in the OP.

Some communication from the dev team would go a long ways here. If modders can do it, then so should SE be able to. There really isn't a valid excuse anymore when others have done it without getting paid, using their free time and passion for the game.

[SenorPatty]

Excellently communicated while maintaining respect. Even I, a non-Hrothgar feel moved by this and while I knew things were bad for Hrothgars, because I gave up on it, I sorta stopped caring but reading all this just makes feel bummed out.

Lets hope OPs posts gets hundreds of likes so it can finally have eyes from developers on it. Godspeed.

[Padudu]

Take my bump as well, hopefully we one day will get a CM response that isn't a copypasted response from Yoship. People don't understand that like, this is what new players see too, and it's disappointing and makes you feel like they dropped the ball hard. This game can be so amazing in so many ways, then you look at Hrothgar treatment among everything else and it makes the game from a 9/10 to a 6/10. You KNOW they have the capacity to care and here they just don't. It is SO, so, so baffling and upsetting.

[AngelCheese77]

Very well thought out and written post. Have a like from me

[Taralyne]

+1 Even though both are races are lumped together as limited ,the gulf is becoming huge between yours and mine.Males,hair ect ect .
I would be fine if they stopped focusing on us and use there time fixing yours.Since they have done almost nothing for you except saying they will somday.

[Raim]

I'd actually play Hroth all the time if they added in a posture toggle in the Aesthetician. Just an option to either be slouched or standing tall more like Roegadyn. I don't care if they wanted to keep it 'bestial.' Theres already countless animations of them standing upright in cutscenes and emotes available for use to make it possible.

[SeverianLyonesse]

I am adding my signature to this petition. Although I have managed to work within the hroth limitations and look fabulous, the disparity is beyond unfair to hroth players at this point. I am still incensed at the hair update, where the only half-decent addition is Snow's douchey haircut (what if I *don't* want to imitate a FF character, Yoshi?), and that they didn't think it totally insulting to prioritize 2B and Karen hair over literally anything else. The new hair choices were so lazy, tone-deaf, and inconsiderate.

A few things on hair and hats (which I believe present roughly the same issue):

1) Miqote ears don't look the cleanest on certain hairstyles, so I agree clipping is less of an issue than some might have us believe.

2) I recognize that, unlike miqote, hroth ears are exposed at the base and so they want to be part of a contiguous model. However, now that we know that they needlessly "duplicate" heads for a single hairstyle, I think it makes more sense to me for them to just have two models for each face: one with attached ears for hairstyles that show the exposed base, and one with detached ears where the ears are hidden in hair/hats or altogether invisible (maybe invisible ears would a third model, idk). Point being, this isn't rocket science and they don't need to be making a new head for every hairstyle.

3) Even if this did take some work to accomplish, we have pretty clear evidence that a single modder was able to mod ALL of the hats in the game for hroth and viera. They could contract a single developer to work on hats and hair without taking away resources from the team. This is not an expensive or resource-intensive fix.

[Karowolus]

Of course, my bump as well. We should be treated the same as all the other races. We're all players who pay the same subscription. Yet we're getting treated like the ginger stepchild.

[Midareyukki]

How can it overlap but not the same? A bunch of races need an overhaul. The old ones need animations fixes etc as well.

Our problems go far beyond "animation fixes etc". As Vahinir pointed out, your race is not wanting for anything major.

That line was mostly aimed toward Viera. It's a Venn Diagram situation. We're both lacking races, but not only are Viera issues more well-known and given attention by the devs than ours are, even if it is already rather lacking, the attention we do have is met with low effort or dismissal.

I mean no ill-will toward Viera. And I do support Viera players in their own endeavours to also be met with respect and become as complete as possible.
But apart from a thread about reactions on the hairstyle situation, most threads either focus almost exclusively on Viera or tend to incorporate both into a megathread. I find this only served to mute out Hrothgar voices and support for Hrothgar from players of other races. As I stated in my second post, this is understandable: popularity does play a large factor on what gets transmitted. But those two races diverge in their issues. And the side effect of muting our voices is shown to have consequences.

This thread is about fighting those consequences and give Hrothgars a spotlight to transmit feedback to the devs. That way:
a) We have a platform to present our thoughts on the race and what's decided\not decided\told\not told about it to the dev team directly. Without it being blurred by tangent information on other races.
b) We avoid another "We're surprised by their reaction" scenario, by making it clear what we want.
c) The development team can start taking informed decisions on the Hrothgar race, rather than proceeding blindly.

We are, as stated, a minority within the playerbase. But even a minority deserves respect. We have several minorities within the game. Ultimate-content players are a minority, for example. Yet quick are the devs to fix and address bugs in Ultimate content, while we stood here waiting for something for three years and getting squaller.

No. I'm tired of seeing hrothgar players saying "the devs can have more time" or "I'm willing to be patient". It's been 3 years since hrothgar were added to xiv. 3 years. 3 years of paying our subs, playing thru each update, getting things on the shop, etc etc. three years of hrothgar players getting absolutely NOTHING from the devs and when we finally do? It's a middle finger.

I agree with this statement. My posts were written in a way to not sound as demanding (even if I use the word at one point), though I understand very well those who feel enough is enough.

Which is why I invite all Hrothgar players to provide their opinions and feedback to Square.

Feedback is important.

And thank you to all who support this thread and the Hrothgar race and have contributed with your own feedback and voice.